Page 2 | Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

IwantToRetire · 2025-04-24T01:17:03+00:00

*^Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? ^*^LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence^ ^Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.^ ^This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded^*^ ^*^more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?^ ^However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?^ ^...^ ^To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.^ ^Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people^ ^...^ ^Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.^ ^If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away)^. ... Complete article at [[https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337 https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337]] Can also be read in full at [[https://archive.is/yGTYs https://archive.is/yGTYs]] (If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

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IwantToRetire · 05/05/2025 01:58

I dont want to start a thread with this as FWR get picked up by search engines so just posting this here.

Did you know there is a Museum of Transology and has been going for 10 years(?)

https://www.museumoftransology.com/

I think we are going to have to up our game. We are women are maybe being too modest, and we need to start taking ourselves as seriously as this group of activists, have done and are doing.

Or do we have a museum womanology?

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MarieDeGournay · 05/05/2025 00:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 23:41

He is, and he’s closely following this issue.

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Well, here's your starter for ten, Mr Wallis: we've got the receipts going back for years

Datun · 05/05/2025 00:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 23:41

He is, and he’s closely following this issue.

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Wow. That is very interesting

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 23:41

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 04/05/2025 22:51

I think Nick Wallis is the man for that job.

He did a superb job with the Post Office scandal.

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He is, and he’s closely following this issue.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 04/05/2025 22:51

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 24/04/2025 14:17

Now is the time for real investigative journalism to come forward. It’s one of the biggest scandals of our time!

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I think Nick Wallis is the man for that job.

He did a superb job with the Post Office scandal.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/05/2025 22:22

IwantToRetire · 04/05/2025 21:33

As with many of the issues the rise of the trans agenda has made public, in fact long before Pride becames transed, it had turned into a display of male dominated queer sex, and most sane lesbians had stopped attending.

Sadly the be kind message has led to many women now feeling they have to show "solidarity" to Pride whilst being alienated by the queer male sex fetishes that it now seems to focus on.

Part of me feels that the old Gay Rights march was much for visually challenging as a public march, as it oftner featured lesbians and gay men marching in their work clothing, clearly showing that the NHS, the armed forces, etc., had lesbians and gay men.

Or maybe to be truely an "umbrella" we could have a colour coded march. A powerful purple contigent of lesbians, and some colour for gay men, and bisexuals wearing the 2 colours! Then all those dressed in the rainbow would be shown to be not actually anything other than a public performance.

I do find a parade of gay men in fetish gear at 1pm on a Sunday afternoon disturbing. Not the fact they are gay but the overtly sexualised clothing and displays on show. I would feel the same if it were women in bondage gear wondering down the high street

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IwantToRetire · 04/05/2025 21:33

As with many of the issues the rise of the trans agenda has made public, in fact long before Pride becames transed, it had turned into a display of male dominated queer sex, and most sane lesbians had stopped attending.

Sadly the be kind message has led to many women now feeling they have to show "solidarity" to Pride whilst being alienated by the queer male sex fetishes that it now seems to focus on.

Part of me feels that the old Gay Rights march was much for visually challenging as a public march, as it oftner featured lesbians and gay men marching in their work clothing, clearly showing that the NHS, the armed forces, etc., had lesbians and gay men.

Or maybe to be truely an "umbrella" we could have a colour coded march. A powerful purple contigent of lesbians, and some colour for gay men, and bisexuals wearing the 2 colours! Then all those dressed in the rainbow would be shown to be not actually anything other than a public performance.

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TheOtherRaven · 04/05/2025 09:48

Rather like Stonewall, I think Pride has been rotted beyond recovery. It's now a corporate jolly and a fest of gender ideology. As with most LGBT groups, everyone LGB who isn't compliant has long since left or been kicked out.

'Pride month' for many is now a rather grim experience. There isn't much to be proud of when the flags are an explicit sign of a political position that is actively against homosexuality.

LonginesPrime · 04/05/2025 09:45

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/05/2025 09:29

Pride Month’s going to be interesting.

Indeed!

I’ve already heard people saying “well Pride was originally a protest, so we need to go back to that”.

I know many feel pride is too corporate anyway, but it will certainly be interesting to see how it evolves in terms of corporate support for actively removing women’s legal rights going forward.

I’m just waiting for someone to tell me they want pride to go ‘back to its grassroots’ while arguing for a completely hijacked movement which oppresses the gay community who started it - it reminds me of that thought experiment of how many component parts of a table you can replace before it’s a different table.

TheOtherRaven · 04/05/2025 09:44

LonginesPrime · 04/05/2025 08:37

I feel exactly the same - given the way Stonewall, the police, businesses, London Pride and the general pride-supporting public have treated lesbians in recent years, I view Pride and the rainbow flag (even the traditional one) as explicitly hostile to myself as a lesbian.

They have literally told me and other lesbians that we have no right to be gay and that we should be ashamed of ourselves (they’d get on great with my homophobic parents).

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Wholly agree.

I have run into homophobia here on FWR from 'activists' of an extremity and nastiness I never encountered in the days when I was actively supporting and fundraising for Stonewall, and it was as deeply unfashionable thing to be seen doing as it was to be 'out'.

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/05/2025 09:29

Pride Month’s going to be interesting.

LonginesPrime · 04/05/2025 08:37

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/05/2025 07:56

Once if I saw an ad for a local Gay Pride event I’d have smiled & gone along in a lesbian or feminist T-shirt.

Now I’d grimace & walk in the opposite direction.

I feel exactly the same - given the way Stonewall, the police, businesses, London Pride and the general pride-supporting public have treated lesbians in recent years, I view Pride and the rainbow flag (even the traditional one) as explicitly hostile to myself as a lesbian.

They have literally told me and other lesbians that we have no right to be gay and that we should be ashamed of ourselves (they’d get on great with my homophobic parents).

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/05/2025 07:56

Once if I saw an ad for a local Gay Pride event I’d have smiled & gone along in a lesbian or feminist T-shirt.

Now I’d grimace & walk in the opposite direction.

forgotmyusername1 · 04/05/2025 07:47

GiveMeSpanakopita · 25/04/2025 12:13

The rainbow has now, for me, taken on a sinister aspect - to me the pride flag now stands for suppression of dissenting viewpoints, hounding of women, and the inappropriate sexualisation of children.

Genuinely how I feel when I see it. It's no longer a sign of hope, of God's covenant with humankind (I'm Eastern Orthodox Christian) or acceptance and gay equality (which is important to me as my DS1 is gay). It's something much darker to me now.

I'm sure there's a PhD thesis on the symbology of it all, hopefully someone will write it at some point.

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Our local gay pride event is at risk of being cancelled. The supporting businesses have dwindled from 35 last year to 6. I put this entirely down to the T

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 12:54

MariadeiMiracoli · 03/05/2025 12:06

Thank you. I think that may have ruined my plans to spend the weekend gardening (real gardening, not gardening-gardening!)

Oh I know - I feel like my normal life has gone completely out of the window the last few weeks now we actually have a way to fight back against this nonsense!

MariadeiMiracoli · 03/05/2025 12:06

Thank you. I think that may have ruined my plans to spend the weekend gardening (real gardening, not gardening-gardening!)

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 11:58

MariadeiMiracoli · 03/05/2025 10:59

That's very interesting. Would that apply to the Welsh government?

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Yes, plus public bodies are also bound by the Public Sector Equality Duty (s149) of the EA, so they have additional obligations to foster good relations between women and transwomen, and between trans people and people with gender critical beliefs and not to discriminate against or harass women or GC people.

Now we know what a woman is, public bodies have a legal duty to detoxify the debate and stop shitting on women.

Equality Act 2010

An Act to make provision to require Ministers of the Crown and others when making strategic decisions about the exercise of their functions to have regard to the desirability of reducing socio-economic inequalities; to reform and harmonise equality law...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/149

PrettyDamnCosmic · 03/05/2025 11:06

MariadeiMiracoli · 03/05/2025 10:59

That's very interesting. Would that apply to the Welsh government?

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The Equality Act 2010 covers England & Wales & Scotland. Northern Ireland is cover by separate but equivalent legislation.

The Supreme Court clarification of the law applies to the whole of the UK.

MariadeiMiracoli · 03/05/2025 10:59

PrettyDamnCosmic · 03/05/2025 10:05

Brilliant!

111 Instructing, causing or inducing contraventions

(1)A person (A) must not instruct another (B) to do in relation to a third person (C) anything which contravenes Part 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 or section 108(1) or (2) or 112(1) (a basic contravention).

(2)A person (A) must not cause another (B) to do in relation to a third person (C) anything which is a basic contravention.

(3)A person (A) must not induce another (B) to do in relation to a third person (C) anything which is a basic contravention.

(4)For the purposes of subsection (3), inducement may be direct or indirect.

(5)Proceedings for a contravention of this section may be brought—
(a)by B, if B is subjected to a detriment as a result of A's conduct;
(b)by C, if C is subjected to a detriment as a result of A's conduct;
(c)by the Commission.

(6)For the purposes of subsection (5), it does not matter whether—
(a)the basic contravention occurs;
(b)any other proceedings are, or may be, brought in relation to A's conduct.

(7)This section does not apply unless the relationship between A and B is such that A is in a position to commit a basic contravention in relation to B.

(8)A reference in this section to causing or inducing a person to do something includes a reference to attempting to cause or induce the person to do it.

(9)For the purposes of Part 9 (enforcement), a contravention of this section is to be treated as relating—
(a)in a case within subsection (5)(a), to the Part of this Act which, because of the relationship between A and B, A is in a position to contravene in relation to B;
(b)in a case within subsection (5)(b), to the Part of this Act which, because of the relationship between B and C, B is in a position to contravene in relation to C.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/111

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That's very interesting. Would that apply to the Welsh government?

Datun · 03/05/2025 10:31

user1471453601 · 02/05/2025 20:55

I find it really sad to see a marginalised group (women, who were never the minority) gang up against another marginalised group (lgbt whatever).

Sad. And yes, I know I'm going to be told I'm either wrong, delosuonaly, or my posting style is not to your taste. Go ahead, it's been said on this site before, nothing like being told to shut up by so called feminists.

and let's not forget spelling or autocorrect. Fill your boots.

This IS the LGB.

What convinced the Supreme Court was the rank homophobia in ignoring that homosexuality is based on sex.

This is homosexuals fighting for the right to be homosexual. Disagreeing with that is homophobic.

If you think it's women against LGB people, you're being conned.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 03/05/2025 10:05

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 09:46

s111 of the EA 2010 prohibits Stonewall or anyone else from instructing, causing or inducing others to breach the EA (this is the provision Allison Bailey is testing, I believe), so there is already an established (albeit untested) legal mechanism for preventing Stonewall’s behaviour baked into the EA - the issue is that it needs to be enforced.

And also, I’d argue that it needs to be publicised more widely, as charities and others are far less likely to tell organisations to defy the EA if they realise that giving this advice is a breach of the EA in itself.