Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

Indeed.

They have only themselves to blame if they go to the [support] dogs!

This is what I have been thinking. There is no trans "community" to advocate for. Is it pubescent girls who are uncomfortable with sudden increased sexual attention from men? Is it children and young people who are homosexual? Is it men with autogynephilia? Is it people with autism? Is it middle aged women who have dyed their hair purple and want to be down with the kids? Is it people who are consciously pretending/grifting? Etc, etc. All different cohorts, some have legitimate needs that society should try to meet, others don't. And the legitimate needs are not necessarily anything to do with being "trans" - with the belief that "you" don't fit your body.

Even the belief that they have some sort of trans identity takes different forms. A "trans advocacy" charity would be like an ecclesiastical council for not just all Christian denominations, but all religions, including the mad ones.

I just don't think it is the way to go. But obviously it's not up to me.

Yes, I was wondering about them the other day because they seemed very quiet following the SC ruling, so I had a bit of a google and found this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36we3pnxy6o

The charity's largest funder in recent years has been the Global Equality Fund (GEF), which is overseen by the US state department. It has given Stonewall more than £500,000 between 2021 and 2025.

Stonewall's accounts show the GEF granted it £137,254 in 2021-22, £204,442 in 2022-23 and £233,583 in 2023-24.

And this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/30/scottish-government-handed-stonewall-400k-taxpayers-money/

Scottish Government handed Stonewall £400k in taxpayers’ money

SNP ministers under pressure to cut funding to controversial gay rights charity amid claims it is a ‘shell company’ north of the Border

And of course the bottom must be falling out of their diversity champions scheme by now.

And Allison Bailey has been granted leave to appeal in her case against them so they're probably now belatedly spending an eyewatering amount on advice on the actual law.

I hope they survive just long enough for AB to see justice.

That’s unaccountably cruel. Those poor dogs.

They can cry into their support dogs.

JK Rowling donated £70k towards a legal battle that cost around £400k… donations came primarily in the form of small donations from individuals, mostly women. I believe I saw Susan saying they looked at donations and the average amount was £37.
So to insinuate that JK funded the legal challenge isn’t accurate, and it’s something that does disservice to the thousands of women who supported the crowdfund because they knew how absolutely important it was.

If someone asked me to name an LGBT organisation my first response would be that ‘LGBT’ is nonsense. Then I’d say that the only LGB organisation I could think of was the LGBA.

And if she understood the issues and could talk, my cat would say that too.

Yep, talk about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I wonder if this crisis is being exacerbated by murmurings of lawsuits from those who followed their shitty strident subversion of the law.

Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse?

Personally, no I don't want it to collapse. I want it sued and pulled down, brick by brick, and the leaders never to hold power again.

And then replaced by an organisation that gives a shit about LGB people and doesn't want to force lesbians to do dick or mutilate confused kids or put rapists in women's prisons.

The L, G and B, and supporters, allying in the name of fairness, if you will. I'm sure someone will come up with something suitable.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. ‘

How do you ‘bet your cat’? Do you say to someone ‘if Magic Melody wins the 3.20 ar Doncaster, I will give you Tiddles’? And they say ‘done, if he doesn’t I’ll give you a bag of dreamies’?

That phrase was the most interesting thing in this screed to me.

( Oh no, just realised was it a covert reference to IDENTIFYING as a cat, if so, apologies 🍁🙀)

My DH’s company was a top 100 Stonewall champion in 2022. Then for some reason the company seem to have seen the light, I think; it chose not to invest further in their training and removed all reference to them from their corporate website. To my DH’s knowledge, there was no open discussion about this, it just happened, stealthily, overnight by 2023. I suspect a very wise and clever legal professional had a word with the Board and pointed out that the company was laying itself open to significant legal risk. It’s a very risk aware and averse industry, though.

How do they even define trans though. It’s not really a defined group. It’s clear many of trans needs trample on the needs of others in their organisation.
I can’t think of any other charities off the top of my head who try and represent and advocate for such a massive/undefined group of people. Most charities try and clearly define this and even narrow down who they represent- stonewall now is a free for all. Their greed has destroyed them.

Stonewall became the Del Boy of charities. Loveable but completely untrustworthy!

Yes. Stonewall had become a grift. The swindle has now been exposed.

Or if they aren't yet, realise that they will be soon.

They should really have had the "This is not legal advice" disclaimer prominently displayed a lot sooner. Plus a warning "You proceed on its basis at your own risk".

The university I work for disassociated itself from stonewall two years ago thank God. While some didn’t support the removal, most did including senior leadership.

They adopted positions they themselves didn't really believe in and then used "No Debate" to evade being questioned.

It left them in a hopeless position when they were put in front of people like judges who are allowed to ask questions and when a few journalists - like Beth Rigby - actually dared to question the narrative a little.

The only way trans organisations can work effectively is to go out and test their arguments against the people who disagree with them. But they won't.

Im not sure why the government has to be so cagey either, the answer to the question is 'no we havent consulted with them'. End of sentence.

I would imagine they're being bombarded with complaints from all the organisations who they've misled into falsifying the law.

Ha

This debacle unfolded on Ruth Hunt's watch.

I was incensed when she was awarded a life peerage by Teresa May (another one who owes women an apology imo).

its credibility and influence is plunging

I think that ship sailed quite some time ago, especially the credibility bit 😂

Stonewall played an absolute blinder. How many other lobby groups have the savvy to frame themselves as expertsin the field, resulting in institutions falling over themselves to be accredited "on the good guys list" and paying ££ for the privilege?

And, there's a place for a pro trans organisation. For many, it must be v hard to be trans

But, Stonewall over reached, misleading society about the law and inciting hatred against people who disagreed

I said all along (quietly) that it was "emperor's new clothes". We all know fine well what a woman is. Finally, the scales have fallen, people have more confidence to speak freely, MPs see voters leaving, and Stonewall are left naked

They have such a bad reputation now, I imagine institutions are quietly coming off the accredited list. Therefore, less money and oxygen

No sympathy for Stonewall in this house, although I respect their historic work for LGB community

One concern I have....... For Women Scotland were unsuccessful in Court of Session. I believe we only have the Supreme Court ruling thanks to JK Rowling funding their appeal. So, it occurs to me that, if she had chosen to support the trans lobby, then we'd be in a very different place. I find that quite chilling

The money tap was turned off when the US stopped funding it via USAID.

So sad that an organisation that was such a positive and powerful part of expunging section 28 and securing LGB people equality before the law, especially in employment, housing and family law courts, has this as it’s epitaph. So many fine campaigners who worked with them have their legacy tainted. Maybe the law needs to change regarding charities where once their stated, founding objective has been achieved, they must close. Stonewall should never have attached itself to trans rights.