Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

They shouldn’t have lobbied against women.

I think Stonewall's time in the sun is done.

There are LGB organisations to move forward.

I'm not sure the T is a cohesive group at all - I think it's quite a mix of different things and that is why it would be hard to have an umbrella organisation that represented them all.

From Az Hakeem's work it seems that providing better services for individuals with Autism and mental health issues, particularly for young people would provide the best outcomes.

I don't think of Stonewall as an LGBT organisation, I think of it as a TQIA+++ organisation.

That ship had sailed long before SC ruling. Stonewall thought it could put the female population in its place and scare us by saying we were all bigots etc They said horrible things about female groups, calling lesbians who didn’t want to partner with trans women as transphobic racists

“Once we read and fully digest the judgement, we will work with stakeholders across all sectors to provide as much clarity as possible.
How does this not directly conflict with their "THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE" bit?? They still can't get their story straight in their death throes.

Good. I used to be a supporter until they hated women.

"You do it to yourself, you do ..and that's what really hurts"

This. The lies that are still being propagated on MSM are shocking. Some of the interviews being done on BBC, ITV and channel 4 are very misleading.

They made an absolute fortune saying the absolute opposite. Taxpayers have not only had to pay the fees for public sector bodies to pay into this scheme but also the compensation and court fees resulting from those bodies losing case after case. Yes, it is the NHS etc's fault too, but they were completely cheerled by Stonewall. They deserve to be 'in crisis'. I hope they get sued for breach of contract too, just to finish them off.

This is how I feel about it.

Civil rights/human rights including gay rights were all based on objective reality. Trans rights are based on individual subjective internal experiences, which meant other people had to go against their objective reality to agree with.

When it was people with a severe and persistent dysphoria that made sense, but they included too many different groups and now it’s too complicated.

Below is the message on the Stonewall site re the SC judgment. If anyone can find a reference to lesbians and what it means for them, please say.

However if you go to the site today, the home page is a nice flag and a message proclaiming that this is Lesbian Visibility Week... Amusingly, the only click-through that doesn't work for me is the section on '6 campaigns for lesbian equality you should know about'. Presumably Stonewall couldn't find them.

Responding to today’s Supreme Court ruling, Stonewall CEO, Simon Blake OBE said:

“Stonewall shares the deep concern at the widespread implications for today’s ruling from the Supreme Court. It will be incredibly worrying for the trans community and all of us who support them.
“It’s important to be reminded the Court strongly and clearly re-affirmed the Equality Act protects all trans people against discrimination, based on Gender Reassignment, and will continue to do so.

“Once we read and fully digest the judgement, we will work with stakeholders across all sectors to provide as much clarity as possible.

“Stonewall will continue its work with the Government and parliamentarians to achieve equal rights under the law for LGBTQ+ people.”

Cant they see that their approach to trans activism at the expense of women’s rights has caused the damage? Lesbian groups are fearful of Stonewall and its male privilege approach.

And we are all bloody tired of these people and the media and the politicians telling the female population to shut up and be kind. Has Stonewall not seen the horrible terminology of TERF and cis-women? Have they not seen some of the violent behaviour of TRAs at demonstrations? Have they not read some of the horrible comments on social media?

Stonewall needs to get back to basics to re-gain support. The erasure of women and the introduction of all the cervix-haver, womb-carrier, chest feeder terminology needs to stop as the majority of the population is thinking WTF!

There are over 300 LGBT rights charities in the UK, none of which apparently recognise the definition of LGB as being based in same sex attraction.

The only LGB charity in existence is the LGB Alliance, which trans activists have tried very hard to have stripped of its charitable status.

I fully agree that it's important to have organisations righting for equal rights for same sex attracted people in the UK. (And for trans people, come to that.)

But I honestly think that the sector is completely flooded with these organisations, most of which seem to be achieving very little, and it all needs scaling back to a reasonable number of organisations which actually serve a legitimate purpose.

I know why people are glad about this, but I can’t help feeling sad.

I was a huge supporter of Stonewall back in the day. They were epic over gay marriage. The UK would have been worse off without them then. What has happened to them is terrible - beginning with them looking for a new “big fight” and then selling out women and using their connections and status to backdoor policy change without debate. Now potentially ending with them closing completely. I had always hoped they’d turn, find their senses and start representing LGB people again.

See, I really DON'T want to dance on Stonewall's grave. They're an important institution, they played a really important part in getting parity and fairness and recognition for gay, lesbian and bisexual people in the UK. I think that the old Stonewall should be proud of their legacy - they achieved so much.

And then they buggered it all up by opening the umbrella over the T and the Q! Privileging the comfort and rights of fetishists and spicy straights over gays and lesbians who still needed representation and protection at work, etc. Silly idiots. I'm assuming partly out of a need to remain 'relevant' in a world that - in the UK at least - was increasingly accommodating and tolerant of LGB people and lives, and partly because of funding. T and Q are a cash cow and a button to press with the virtue-signalling. Their Stonewall Champions scheme was a money-maker, no more, no less.

So if they fold I'll be genuinely sad. I want there to be a recognisable charity and lobby group fighting for the rights and interests of gay people in the UK, it's still really important. I see it as a sort of trades union. But to do this they're going to have to scale right back on promoting the risible queer crap - the queer story hour at children's libraries, the parade of bedroom fetishwear at Pride marches, the insistence that men in dresses are the MOST oppressed minority ever, the constant erasure of lesbians and same-sex attraction, the relentless lying and flouting of provable science. In short, they have to remake themselves entirely in order to survive. Evolve or extinction, guys.

This exactly.

Stonewall used to be great but became a distorted, grifting monster.
It is irredeemably tainted and it needs to be dissolved.

Stonewall is now a toxic brand and needs to go.

Due to its stance on lesbians I think of Stonewall as a homophobic organisation!

Well I agree it's hard to define the T. But surely defining the Q+ bit is even more challenging. And the 'I' part arguably has no relevance as it's not about sexual attraction.

Edit: cross-posted with @OvaHere and totally agree

The problem is that the tail wags the dog in any sort of organisation aiming to support the TQ+ (this could be said for other types of activism too). In the case of the TQ+ the tail is for the most part, batshit.

In the online age of social media, years of graft, mediation and consensus building are passé. How can you have a stable, future proof organisation based on insane hyperbole and untruths?

I think Stonewall is beyond saving.

They've cost the government and other orgs at lot of money due to their legal fictions and left them with egg on their face so no surprise if they're unofficially blacklisted in many places.

The LGB that have been on our side of the fence will never go back to trusting them.

They will never again be able to be extreme enough to keep the support of the LGBTQ+ crowd who demand they maintain the 'women have penises' mindset.

So where does that leave them?

Susan Smith addressed this question on Womans Hour yesterday. The total cost of the appeal was £400,000. JKR contributed £70,000. Many others donated with an average amount of £37.

The episode is on BBC sounds if you haven't heard it.

I'm not not minimising the amazing support of JKR by saying this, just sharing what I heard about the funding

To paraphrase Stonewall itself:

CHARITIES FAIL - GET OVER IT

If trans are only a tiny percentage of the population why do they need a specific support group? Why can't they both meet up in the pub?

They'd do well to do their collapsing before the big court cases come along for loss and damage as a result of their actions. Particularly as a result of advice that companies and charities paid them for.
The big rats have already jumped off the ship leaving the rest to carry the can.
Excuse the mixed metaphores.