Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

Stonewall are bullies
The community need a Charity that acts like a Charity and understands the potential fallout of their views on others.
I don’t regard Stonewall as a Charity their actions are not charitable to all.

It would be such a relief to no longer have Stonewall on the scene.... but I suspect a few generous individual donors will rescue them.

Like many, I want to see the LBG Alliance flourish and I hope that Trans can create their own organisation from the bottom up.

I was amazed they were getting £500k a year from the USA government.

And like many I will be thrilled if This affects its ability to effectively lobby politicians.

THIS in shedloads.

Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind. As part of the L in LGB, I don't want any other hangers on. They can have their own groups with pleasure.

There are quite a lot of LGBT people in this country, many of them quite well of them. There are even more "allies" who are desperate to go out of their way to show how much they love anything LGBT. If the leading LGBT charity isn't getting enough cash they must be doing something terribly wrong!

(Although on the allies point, I guess it's cheaper to put up a flag than to set up a long-term standing order, and the flags get you a lot more positive attention too.)

If anyone would like to celebrate by making a small donation to LGB Alliance, here they are. Bev and Kate were dragged through the courts on Stonewall's behalf by Stonewall's friend, Mermaids. Many of us will remember the batshit Stonewall crew, including the support-mum and support-dog.

https://lgballiance.org.uk/donate/

It’s not like they weren’t warned over the last 10 years or so by previous supporters. They not only chose to ignore the warnings, they doubled down with their disgusting sexual racist comment. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Those bananas are looking quite spotty, I'll make some banana bread with the kids after school. And that reminds me, I need to return those library books and pick up the dry cleaning.

I agree with PP about the damage they've done to multiple groups of people. It will take years to clean up the mess they have made.

There will be many people and organisations who could have left a legacy to be proud of but will now be remembered for the self ID shit show, Stonewall is one of them.

I'll leave my tiny violin in its case, if Stonewall closes down I will not GAF.

Can’t they start identifying as how they actually started when they were worthwhile??

Washing its strings?

Probably putting out this story to limit exposure to being sued for all the incorrect guidance it’s been handing out left right and centre to businesses and schools.

LGB Alliance are surely more than capable of protecting gay rights. Trans people are entirely separate-always perplexed why this group was linked, they have entirely different requirements re representation

And with this

Agree

However you feel about Stonewall

Well, what I feel about Stonewall is that they used to be an amazing organisation campaigning for the rights of gay people and against homophobia. They - along with many others - did a brilliant job. When I think back to the 90s compared to now, and how being gay is, in most quarters, completely accepted, it's a fantastic achievement.

But, having campaigned themselves out of existence, they cast about for a new cause which they embraced with alacrity. It's how we ended up with workshops on "overcoming the cotton ceiling" (aka bypassing the consent of lesbians as to who they had sex with). Likening people to "sexual racists" if someone didn't feel that those who'd identified into the sex class that they fancied were people they'd want to have sex with. And - IMO - being complicit with the bullying, harassment and silencing of gender critical people via their champions scheme, which made companies adopt Stonewall's policies and act on "breaches" of them accordingly. Then we have the concept of "Stonewall Law" which has become a byword for someone presenting the law as they'd like it to be rather than how it is.

So what I feel about Stonewall is that they're a busted flush who has wrecked their own legacy. And they've sold LGB people down the river by force-teaming them with the trans/queer identity crowd.

In their arrogance they have caused severe and irreversible damage to many young people, they have persecuted lesbians and destroyed lives. They have harmed transpeople and their cause too by aggressively pursuing any dissenting voice. This is the crop they sew from #NoDebate.

I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Probably off spending all that lovely money on a round the world trip before they're ordered to pay it all back as compensation!

What exactly have all the donations been spent on? Anyone?

I agree with all of this. Not only have they been completely useless at battering us all into submission over gender ideology, they have completely failed the gay community, especially lesbians. But that’s what men’s rights movements do isn’t it? Good bloody riddance to them.

Stonewall were great with their campaigns for gay rights and marriage. But they did what they needed to do. Then they hung on, and hunted about for new causes. Which was a disaster.

It's like being sad that a Suffragists' charity is going under. Their core work is long done.

I will be eternally grateful to her that she raised her head so publicly, knowing full well she’d be vilified for it. Admittedly, her voice put the issue in the sphere of those who might not otherwise have noticed.
But she was far from a lone voice, and there were many many other women who have been in this fight for a very long time. I don’t think those women would have backed down just because someone like JK Rowling might have supported trans ideology. Most celebrities and politicians refused to draw their line and support women, women faced overwhelming adversity in the face of a media and political class who blindly supported the erosion of our rights.

Stonewall has no future. They lied about the law, and misled countless organisations into thinking that TWAW. They presented the law as they wanted it not the law as it was, declared that their (legally incorrect) interpretation was beyond question, and ruled that anyone disagreeing with them was ignorant or bigoted or both. If justice were to be done, they'd be sued to oblivion. Assuming that won't happen, they should be grateful simply to fade into that oblivion gracefully. Their day is well and truly over.

Totally agree with this - [other] charities need to see that they will be held accountable and that their status or their [hopefully] noble aims do not exempt them from moral, social or legal responsibility. I’d very much like to see Stonewall and mermaids hauled over the coals as an example to others. And I’d like a review of charity law to ensure none can act they way theses both have ever again.

My tardigrade is using my violin.

" I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response."
So they're completely useless (and rude) even to their most fervent supporters?

Apart from anything else, it's just unprofessional to not reply at all, not once, not twice, but three times. But, sadly, indicative of the
a) shout louder than everyone else
b) stick fingers in ears and hope will go away
strategy...

Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. I also donated

But, I still think that we might be in a different place if JKR had been pro trans. I'm really gratefully she wasn't. And her input has given a lot of publicity to the issue

They should be sued to oblivion for all the harm they have done lying about the law.