Anyone fancy adding their 2p to Rory & Alastair’s pod?

I've just posted. Come on -Terfs assemble!!

The comment from AC about the smirking woman on C4 news and how much this upset him...I believe he's referreing to Maya Forstater. The fact that he doesn't know her name says everything you need to know. Of course she's smiling - she's overjoyed!

It was the total disingenuousness that got me. And RS proposing compromises that apparently none of us have ever suggested before (not that I agree with them all BTW). And , finally, AC stating that the issue should have gone to parliament rather than the SC. It seems he’s never noticed that numerous petitions that have asked for exactly this. We’re all silly, unkind women it seems and not at all representative. Alistair has asked his daughter and her mates about this so that proves it.

Honestly… I have just listened and think it was nowhere near as bad as the comments above indicate. Broadly speaking (not having read the full judgement) I think the Supreme Court’s decision is correct. Do I think that means it’s the end of the debate - no of course not. You’ve got a situation that is horribly polarized and neither side can see any merits in the other sides perspective. There needs to be some form of movement / acknowledgment / recognition from each end / a sort of compromise for there to be sensible closure. And that’s pretty much what the 2 of them said.

Having said that, I’m now sadly expecting a pile on. I’ve lurked on this topic quite a lot and you don’t get many opposing views.

Yes, but it was a JOKE. Tsk. Men have no sense of humour.

Two men who are so wildly smug and over-promoted in life that they've never had to consider why sexism, misogyny and homophobia might make people profoundly unhappy with their sex, and who have never considered how much women have to adapt their own behaviour around male violence, fetishism and anger. Why anyone still listens to them when they have proved time and again that they are out of touch with everything is beyond me.

(IIRC. JKR does/did smoke.)

I listened during my morning run. My seething propelled me to my next time in ages!

In all seriousness, I’m so disappointed (but not surprised) in their stance. RS is marginally better but, as others have said, gender neutral toilets are not the gotcha he thinks they are.

I have unsubscribed from this podcast as a result of that episode. I always got irritated when they bothered to ‘discuss’ the topic, I’m done with it now.

He was so scathing about JK Rowling, because she had a cigar.

Does he really believes that JK Rowling smokes a cigar, or even smokes at all? (Has anyone ever previously seen a picture of her with a cigarette?) The cigar was surely just a prop for the joke, which was referencing Hannibal Smith in The A-Team.

When RS started talking about his friend who works in getting puberty blockers to kids ... I was so disappointed. That's no friend. That person is extremely misguided if not, dare I say, evil. Strong word? No. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM CHILDREN. That is literally all I care about. Trans women can use my bathroom, WHATEVER, just get off my kid and her childhood and fuck the fuck off trying to tell us that they were born in the wrong body, need sterilising and mutilating to be happy. STOP. Don't they see how evil and disgusting that is???

I gave up on that podcast quite a while back as Alistair Campbell - name deliberately (and childishly) mis-spelled to register contempt - drives me to shouting "Nobody cares what "Tony" says/thinks!"

Yes!

I was just gonna say @Talulahalula can I copy and paste?!

Just ask them if they have actually read all 88 pages of the judgement and if they care to respond to some of the finest legal minds in the country about the incoherence of recognising certified sex as the protected characteristic along with biological sex.
The judgement is comprehensive and the judges have done women a huge service by providing it. Should people read and consider the contents, they would also see that the judges have clearly laid out the protections afforded to people with a GRC as well.
Women (and some men) have expended enormous amounts of time, money and energy at often significant cost to make the arguments now recognised in the judgement. If men cannot do the basic reading to inform their opinions rather than relying on sound bites and anecdote, then I think it shows a basic level of contempt for women and the law. And I judge that.

I’d love to leave a comment. Any good suggestions? I am thinking something around ‘facts’ has to be the way to go….

I’ve deliberately avoided listening as I feared it would go this way.

Thanks for taking one for the team and listening, OP. I’ve now unfollowed the show and followed Double Jeopardy instead.

The whole war crimes thing always made me feel uncomfortable listening to Alistair anyway.

I just can't bring myself to listen. Imagine those two having a pint with James O’Brien and Richard Madeley.

It shoes how bonkers this topic is that a Leftie like me finds her spiritual home on GB News, Talk TV and the Telegraph.

I really disagree about Rorys take. Hes acting like hes the first one who ever thought of unisex spaces but never acknowledges that unisex changing rooms really are statistically much more dangerous for women.

Then he claims that a transwoman in a skirt could be beat up by a man in the mens bathroom and that the solution would be unisex bathrooms but what is to stop the same man beating up the transwoman in the skirt in the unisex bathrooms. Clearly the problem is male violence and women shouldn't be responsible for stopping that through their presence.

Also claiming that case by case basis for prisons is the way to do things when up until recently thats whats been happening in UK prisons and women have been abused and traumatised by it.

Friends with a transman who runs a puberty blocking clinic that if children didn't get they'd kill themselves but has also read Cass so knows that to be false just won't say it.

I hate this faux pretending to be the sensible voice on this when clearly hasn't thought it through with any rigour.

I'm not even going to start my rant on Alastair Campbells take on this as I'd be here all day on how awful it is

I thought RS was OK.
AC was awful, no surprises there.

Also .. does this mean Alistair is disagreeing with his beloved Keir?! Or what Keir thinks today at least….

The comments on their twitter feed are a good read