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Do you think the majority are for or against the ruling?

143 replies

sadandpmsing · 22/04/2025 17:24

Maybe people who agree with the SC ruling are still afraid to speak out in support, but all I’m seeing is people up in arms - from bio women and men to trans women and men.

Is there a possibility the law could be changed (as all SC did was clarify existing law)? I don’t think this will be the end of it.

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Hoppinggreen · 23/04/2025 09:54

I think most people who knew it was an issue are pleased and those who had no idea such a ruling was even necessary are a bit annoyed about the waste of time and money.

aylis · 23/04/2025 09:51

Weird how on social media it's absolutely ok to criticise the right for their attachment to gender and adherence to stereotypes but you absolutely cannot criticise trans activists for the same.

user101101 · 23/04/2025 09:39

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

OMG they think we cAn'T TeLL?!!!! 😂😂😂

cariadlet · 23/04/2025 00:54

Gandalfatemyhamster · 22/04/2025 17:52

I live in the most lefty, liberal bubble in a town beginning with B, outrage from all. No one apart from the very elderly seem to see sense prevailing. I’m genuinely scared to support the decision on SM. Or in my work place.

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet so apologies if someone else has already mentioned this.

I can think of 2 places that could be. If it's either of the ones I'm thinking of, join WRN and you'll find out that you're not the only Terf in town.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/04/2025 00:48

Yep.

Datun · 23/04/2025 00:46

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:00

The great unwashed. These are not the best and brightest of people. They pretend that they are marginalised cos “twansohobiaaaa” but the reality is they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

Without wishing to be mean, it's totally this.

Datun · 23/04/2025 00:42

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Oh my God, who the hell are they kidding???

They can't be serious

OhcantthInkofaname · 23/04/2025 00:28

I'm in the US and am really grateful for the UKSC ruling. I think the problem might occur if someone tried to change the law.

Trump's executive order that there are two sexes is the only thing I agree with done by him.

Enough4me · 23/04/2025 00:16

The men who care are busy shouting and weeing over statues. Like toddler tantrums over hearing the word no.

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 00:08

The obfuscation has been 100% a deliberate ploy.

Journalists whose fucking job it is to communicate clearly have failed the general public.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/04/2025 23:44

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:45

I think a lot of people think TW are females who present as men and vice versa. The language used is deliberately ambiguous and misleading. ‘True gender’ is a phrase I have seen in policy documents for example

a lot of people think that TW are fully transitioned with no male genitalia rather than the fact that most retain their genitalia

other people think that they have also been officially diagnosed as having gender dysphoria and have somehow been born in the wrong body even though that is no possible as we are our bodies

But I have spoken to women who work for in the NHS and for the police and it’s always in whispered tones as wrong speak has such serious consequences. Hopefully people will feel that transmen gender and DEI policies can be questioned now especially when the SC ruling is so clear.

When I've discussed the issue with DH, it takes constant clarifying of which sex he means as he swaps transwomen to mean women, not biological males. It's sport that's put it vaguely on to his radar but it's not something that he's really looked up much as he tends to bias towards financial and geopolitical news.

He'a glad that common sense has prevailed.

It's been such an aggressive "no debate" campaign stigmatising critics because it simply doesn't stand up to logic and scruitiny.

The obsfucation of language in the media has made it much harder to scruitinise the issue if you don't know what you're looking for.
And the double standards of policing language in one direction, but intolerance of women just being women and not requiring that dreadful, unnecessary prefix is absolute stinking hypocracy.

FiveBarGate · 22/04/2025 23:44

Merrilydancing · 22/04/2025 20:48

I think it has been slowly gathering pace but Isla Bryson really put into sharp focus what it actually means in reality. If we just take the toilet issue which is tiny tiny part of it, no woman would want to share with him. Also no decent man would want their female relative to share a toilet with him.

It will be interesting to see where the teenagers are going with this as my one says that the trans at their school are all the freaks and weirdos so are avoided. if this is the case, we may see a significant drop in the numbers of young, vulnerable people transitioning.

And yet those poor young college students were told they were transphobic when they questioned his presence on their health and beauty course where they had to strip to their underwear for spray tanning.

In Scotland this changed many people's feelings.

My FB has just fed me a post about the actress from Brigerton and a trans fundraiser and boycotting Happy Potter. Thousands of comments, all seem to back JKR which is definitely a turn around.

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/04/2025 23:30

Not bothered, tbh. Biological woman, 60 years old.

Justme56 · 22/04/2025 23:29

This one is also doing the rounds from the protest at the weekend. Interesting outfit!

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

https://x.com/wesleywinteryt/status/1914766265605882258?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:28

miraxxx · 22/04/2025 19:31

Self id is the sticking point.Normal people expect some gatekeeping and boundaries but the arrogance of the transactivists has greatly diminished whatever public sympathy there was. The politicians are beginning to realise public sentiment has shifted and the political shift is also starting to form, even on the left. The Cass review and now the SC ruling have an impact that cannot be denied or wished away as incipient fascism.

Does Anyone remember the transexual Julia (I have forgotten his surname) who was subject of BBC documentaries in the late 1970s/early 1980s? I think that is still the image a lot of people have of someone being trans. There are clips online showing his doctor being incredibly forthright to him. I especially enjoyed the doctor questioning him about how would he know what it feels like to be a woman. Self ID, the removal of gender dysphoria from DSM5 and not even needing a diagnosis of gender dysmorphia or body dysphoria.

More and more people are identifying fetishists rather than genuine dysphorics. The first group invoke disgust rather than the pity we may have had for the second group.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:12

TheOtherRaven · 22/04/2025 19:16

Yes. They are 100% the public face, and there's a total lack of any groups or agencies coming forward to condemn it and say 'not in our name'.

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And with higher profile TW such as the man who thinks he lives free in JKRs head posting about the pissing protest it really doesn’t give a great impression of the TRA argument

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 23:00

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 18:08

Well yeah, you can pretty instantly spot who the men are in this video 😬😬😬https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1913976069457162253

The great unwashed. These are not the best and brightest of people. They pretend that they are marginalised cos “twansohobiaaaa” but the reality is they are just weird people that most people would cross the street to avoid

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:55

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 17:53

I think the focus on toilets is doing us no favours. And I think people are exasperated at all the toilet talk.

If the focus was on rape crisis centres, homeless shelters, prisons and women's sport, with some discussion of how there have been real life issues in those areas, a lot more people would be vocally supportive.

That’s probably why the TRA focus is on toilets. It’s the low hanging fruit if the argument

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:45

Kiwi83 · 22/04/2025 17:44

Most women won't really see the issue until it directly affects them and that's the awful problem. By the time it starts affecting enough women's lives for them to take real umbridge and realise how bad this is for them, it'll be too late to stop the rot 🤷‍♀️

I think a lot of people think TW are females who present as men and vice versa. The language used is deliberately ambiguous and misleading. ‘True gender’ is a phrase I have seen in policy documents for example

a lot of people think that TW are fully transitioned with no male genitalia rather than the fact that most retain their genitalia

other people think that they have also been officially diagnosed as having gender dysphoria and have somehow been born in the wrong body even though that is no possible as we are our bodies

But I have spoken to women who work for in the NHS and for the police and it’s always in whispered tones as wrong speak has such serious consequences. Hopefully people will feel that transmen gender and DEI policies can be questioned now especially when the SC ruling is so clear.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:40

I have to say, this is all playing out, more or less the way I've been saying for a while even when many here really had their doubts and thought that the truth would not prevail. I've ALWAYS said you can't hide maintain a lie this big for long. ESPECIALLY where the fault lines on this subject fall.

I follow the mood and political trends. I told certain people how this was the next big political arc after Brexit in 2018... And here we are.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 22/04/2025 22:39

Nobody I know irl has mentioned it at all. The only person I know personally on social media who's mentioned it is actually one of the main brilliant women in FWS. The only other stuff I've seen on social media (both for and against the ruling) has been via MN. I'm not on Twatter though.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 22:34

minnienono · 22/04/2025 17:28

Most people are not that bothered either way!

my DD is happy that it reinforces same sex sports rules particularly important for contact sports but thinks the obsession with toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards etc is over the top as she’s quite happy to share with men and does share with men at work.

there is quite a generational difference for starters with under 30’s really being so much more flexible

Has your daughter ever had to share a hospital ward with any men? The sort that sit in bed wanking under the covers (if you are lucky). It’s one thing to to think you wouldn’t mind when it’s a hypothetical issue and something else when you are sick and just want to sleep but some creepy bloke in the bed opposite is keeping you awake

CheeseChamp · 22/04/2025 22:33

Some old ard left corbynite acquaintances have posted stuff on Facebook pretty angry, going to the london march etc, and just sort of withering patronising stuff. Makes me embarrassed about stuff I probably posted about brexit lol.
I don't want to lose the few friends I have, so continue to say nothing, and if asked outright I play dumb but ask questions that I know can't be answered or must be infuriating. Just so I don't feel like a total coward.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 22:33

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 22/04/2025 21:36

I feel like it partly depends on which social media you use. Twitter has lots of voices in favour. Reddit, Facebook and Bluesky are up in arms.

I suppose working environment plays a part as well. I came in this morning to an email from the CEO expressing support for our trans colleagues.

Its now hitting my social circle who I don't believe have a lot to do with social media, particularly on this subject.

I deliberately don't add people I know and see regularly on social media so I'm not sharing stuff inadvertantly.

This is popping up in conversations with people I talk to in person. People who I know have no idea about my situation. And I'm not starting the conversation.

Its interesting how this is spreading and where interest is being shown.

Its a massive change from the past.

Kindersurprising · 22/04/2025 22:33

Some of my social media is rooted in Bristol and there’s a surprising number of pro ruling comments for such a woke city.

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