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BBC headline: Starmer does not believe TW are women

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WarriorN · 22/04/2025 15:46

Top of the app just now as I opened it.

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BBC headline: Starmer does not believe TW are women
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murasaki · 22/04/2025 23:40

Is he going to properly apologise to Rosie Duffield then?

peanutbuttertoasty · 22/04/2025 23:32

Fucking coward. Got receipts.

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WarriorN · 22/04/2025 23:28

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BBC headline: Starmer does not believe TW are women
BBC headline: Starmer does not believe TW are women
BBC headline: Starmer does not believe TW are women
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ErrolTheDragon · 22/04/2025 23:18

WarriorN · 22/04/2025 23:06

The bbc article has been updated:

Still front page for me

Yes -
Correction: This article originally said that the ruling means that transgender women with a gender recognition certificate (GRC) can be excluded from single-sex spaces if "proportionate". However this is inaccurate and so this line has been removed from the story.

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WarriorN · 22/04/2025 23:06

The bbc article has been updated:

Still front page for me

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mrshoho · 22/04/2025 23:00

It is brilliant to hear all these politicians stating their agreement with the ruling but at the same time I'm like wtf. It took a judgement from the SC for everyone to suddenly see sense. I just can't take any of them seriously and that goes for all parties.

TheHereticalOne · 22/04/2025 22:54

@Circumferences

Rosie Duffield said that only women have a cervix.

Starmer said, "it's not right" to say that and, "it's something that shouldn't be said".

David Lammy said, "I don't know if it's transphobic, but it's not, accurate." And, "I mean, obviously, it's probably the case that only, that trans women don't have ovaries. But a cervix, I understand, is something that you can have, following various procedures and hormone treatment and all the rest of it."

Cowardly or stupid?

For my money, it was all very, "do it to Julia!".

Contemptible.

NotMyRealAccount · 22/04/2025 22:44

Starmer has been quite disappointing so far, but he is the Prime Minister and he has said in public that he accepts the Supreme Court's judgement and that transwomen are not women, and that's a significant swing of the pendulum. I hope there will be more to come (particularly an apology to Rosie Duffield) but in the meantime I'm not complaining.

Circumferences · 22/04/2025 22:37

Wasn't it only last year he was saying "it's wrong to say that transwomen don't have a cervix" or some such other nonsense.

He's pathetic.

Scout2016 · 22/04/2025 22:28

Of course he never actually believed it. He just thought he should pretend to, like an utter coward.

And if, as someone with legal qualifications, experience and a team of advisors, and the many people pointing out the error, IF he genuinely did read the legislation as saying TWAW for ALL circumstances, it's really bloody troubling. IF that was his interpretation. Because most lay people I know have found it fairly straightforward and lo, they were correct.
I don't know which is a worse trait for a PM - stupid or coward. I'm thinking the coward knowingly does harm so that's worse. Women won't forget.

Well, they might forget Starmer tbh, but they'll remember Labour deliberately screwing them over.

NextRinny · 22/04/2025 22:05

Anyone heard from Angela Rayner? Isn't she still deputy?

EasternStandard · 22/04/2025 21:31

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/04/2025 16:01

I don't think he ever believed it - he (like many others) just went along with it because he thought it made him look progressive

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Going by his statement I’d say he’s struggling more now.

So much repetition, just struggling generally showing lack of leadership.

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WarriorN · 22/04/2025 21:25

And me!

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TonTonMacoute · 22/04/2025 20:07

This did make me laugh, sorry to say.

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mids2019 · 22/04/2025 18:12

Now you have may be at reluctant in places political backing to the ruling I think (being a hopeless optimist) it is going to be a lot easier to be gender critical openly. If you have the rule of law and political normalisation I would hope GC (finally) is back to the default view of society. Here's hoping.

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WarriorN · 22/04/2025 16:55

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 16:24

Shahrar Ali AT shahrarali
Hello @_JennyMcKiernan in your otherwise sound article, Starmer does not believe trans women are women, you've misrepresented judgment here, "This means transgender women with a GRC can be excluded from single-sex spaces if "proportionate"". Wrong.

He’s right, Starmer hasn’t actually said those exact words as per the bbc headline…!

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ButterCrackers · 22/04/2025 16:40

It’s a matter of fact not belief that women are women. Transwomen are not women - it’s not based on belief at all.

Skyellaskerry · 22/04/2025 16:39

Any apologies to women from anyone yet for having got things so wrong?

Deafnotdumb · 22/04/2025 16:38

Yes, there was a lot of equivocation and hand wringing in the Lib Dems statement about waiting for guidance to see how it works in practice, @RedToothBrush. However, Ed Davies said they accepted the ruling and welcomed the clarity.

I admit, I've got the links bookmarked and the popcorn on hand for their reaction to the EHRC's code of practice later on this year.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 22/04/2025 16:36

mumda · 22/04/2025 16:33

Nah.
Absolutely not leadership.

The man should be sweeping the grime from every aspect of women's lives.
Clean up this mess properly and completely and finally.

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And while he's doing that, he should reassure disabled people that their PIP is safe, instead of letting Rachel Reeves remove the benefit.

ArchibaldBoyd · 22/04/2025 16:35

Allseeingallknowing · 22/04/2025 15:48

He’s changed his tune!

Playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order.

mumda · 22/04/2025 16:33

mids2019 · 22/04/2025 16:02

Good. Had to be done but finally leadership.

Nah.
Absolutely not leadership.

The man should be sweeping the grime from every aspect of women's lives.
Clean up this mess properly and completely and finally.

murasaki · 22/04/2025 16:32

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 22/04/2025 16:30

It's still too late.
He threw women under the bus for ages.
I do not trust him, nor do I trust his Party, even though I voted for them with gritted teeth.

Agree, it was very much a hold your nose and vote from me. Still don't trust them as far as I can throw them but it was the lesser of several evils at the time.

Lottapianos · 22/04/2025 16:32

I hope he's mortified for making such an utter arse of himself and going along with this total madness in the first place

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 22/04/2025 16:30

It's still too late.
He threw women under the bus for ages.
I do not trust him, nor do I trust his Party, even though I voted for them with gritted teeth.

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