Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

She's the Equalities Minster. She's a perfectly appropriate person to speak about it.

If Keir Starmer did say anything there'd soon be a thread full of complaints about why what he said wasn't good enough. I'd sooner he got on with studying the judgement and putting the right policies in place in response.

That's excellent and long overdue.

You’re all jumping on me for a question when you don’t know my view or asked about it. I dont feel comfortable with either if I’m being honest 🤷‍♀️ some trans males are very masculine presenting so that was my question about TM in women’s spaces. It’s also uncomfortable

Not sure where to share this as it could go on so many threads now, but Helen Joyce shared this and I think it’s marvellous:

Absolutely not.

Identifying as trans is not a disability.

It's a choice.

Should not Starmer apologise to children such as this poor girl. Directly impacted by his party’s bullshit?

And as PP said above, to the poor children (and parents) who have been told and gas lit into thinking something is real and tangible, when it is not? Their lives have been changed for ever.

People who’s careers have been ruined, for the same?

People think it’s acceptable that he does not apologise?? Do me a favour.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10838801/amp/The-sixth-form-girl-bullied-school-saying-biological-sex-real.html

No I don’t believe biological born men are women, I believe they are trans women.

NAMALT 🤣

Yes the ruling applies both ways.

It's also important for establishing criminal intent. If a biological man is present in a toilet/changing area and a woman claims she has been assaulted, it will be much more straightforward establishing that his presence was nefarious rather than innocent, now that is is clear to all men that they should not be entering female only spaces, no matter how they identify.

Of course people will vote for other parties, rn support for Labour is lower than the other two parties.

No I don’t I Didn’t say that did I? Just wondering if the ruling applies both ways, male only spaces and female only spaces. Not even asked what my opinion is on trans just jumping on me for a logical question. No I don’t believe biological born men are women, I believe they are trans women.

Some pass well and many don't. But the law is now clear and people are going to have to accept the consequences for the decisions they've made. I have huge compassion for the young women who've been gaslit into believing they could sex change out of their women's bodies - they're the victims of the most abysmal scandal and left with awful long term health issues after the brutal experimental drugs and surgery so many of them have endured.

They are victims of this cynical movement and I can only hope that they're loved and supported by friends and family and that they understand that needing validation by others of your "identity" is not a healthy way to live.

Didn't Eddie Izzard claim that some young women had chased him out of a women's toilet once. Obviously, he was the "victim" in his tale. I hope he apologises to those young women now, whom he portrayed as bigots, rather than as the law abiding citizens they were.

Starmer's a lawyer. Glad he took his time to come out unequivocally to make a very clear statement about the ruling and will ensure that the law will be adhered to.

Challenging people in toilets may be embarrassing and/or require courage and assertiveness people may not be able to personally rouse, and is all about dealing with individuals.

However, I think that one of the main strengths of this clarification is that it gives the ability to ask an organisation 'is this a single sex changing room/toilet/service?' and get a definite answer. And if the answer is 'no' making a decision with your feet. Or if it's yes and proves to be incorrect, having the law on your side when you complain.

These actions will have a wider reaching affect then dealing with entitled idiots on a one to one basis (despite this being needed for safeguarding at the immediate time)

They could use disabled toilets if there is nobody in the disabled toilet or no queue for it? No?

well interviewers often take an opposing view from the person they are interviewing because two people sitting agreeing with each other doesn't oftem make good meejer

I just wish people who aren't going to vote Labour under any circumstances just got on with voting for someone else.

I thought the whole objective of campaigning for women's rights was to get the government to adopt the position you wanted? It seems to be a new type of campaigning now (not confined to this issue) that we seem more obsessed with what politicians "think" than what they actually do.

Every politician must have personal views of how they think things should be which they know aren't going to happen. How could it be otherwise in a democracy?

Thank you @MrsOvertonsWindow . Well said.

Do you think all masculine looking women should use the men’s toilets @autumn1610?

I’ve met several transmen. They were quite obviously women. Wonderful women at that. Sorry to disappoint.

So if you saw a trans man in the toilet how would you know they are not male and challenge them? Because some are extremely muscular and have beards 🤷‍♀️ and are very male presenting

This is that moment that we've all hoped for. But it's unreasonable to expect women not to express some snark about labour's extensive campaign of bullying, hectoring, intimidating and kicking women out of the labour party in order to prioritise "trans rights".
I get it's a golden bridge and that they're busily reverse ferreting across it.
But with the exception of Wes Streeting, none of them have yet found the moral courage to apologise for their previous misogyny and anti women rhetoric / actions. Which speaks to their character and personal ethics.

You do realise that a “trans woman” is any man who says he is a woman? So this statement doesn’t make sense 🤷‍♀️

Só you’re more comfortable with a man in the toilets than a woman on testosterone? Why?