Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

Surely this is a wonderful opportunity for progressive men to demonstrate their allyship by showing trans women that they are welcome and will be safe in men's toilets.

Presumably if I create a new Twitter account and look on Owen Jones and Billy Bragg's profiles, this is what they will be saying, right?

...right?

I thought he looked terrified. As he has always done when asked about this issue. At least he's consistent in that regard.

Yes this is it. We need the single sex spaces in addition to unisex. Otherwise we have got much further forward.

Some places legislate for them but we need guidance to promote them.

Yeah, the sad little “hmmm” sound she made. Ignoring rape crises centres to focus on the poor wee vulnerable transwoman who does know which door to go through this morning 😢

he can fucking stay home then if he’s too frightened to just pee, and spend some time to think about reframing his trauma

He'll hand it over, put some space between him and all the action points, get someone else to deal with it, so he's not constantly asked about it.

Haha! I'm not surprised. He's run out of road. All he can do is tiptoe to the end

I wondered what the answer was to the question about what the owner of the premises should do if someone accessed the wrong toilets. Can someone be chucked out? I'm sure a bouncer is capable of doing this but what about restaurants, or public buildings such as schools or hospitals. Is it actually illegal to use the wrong toilet? Or maybe comes under some kind of public disorder act?
(thinking too of the protests some TRAs said they'd do of continuing to use women's toilets)

Well he'd better be enthusiastic! There's a long list of jobs to be done. making sure the spirit of the decision is followed, in schools, in hospitals, everywhere. Let's see some action!

Starmer, it would appear, has had to pretty much accept the ruling.
Now all he can do is not be enthusiastic about it.

I thought he looked like he wanted to cry in the clip on ITV twitter I saw.

Thank you.

And I've just listened to the Bridget Phillipson interview.

It sounds to me as though the labour party are going to latch onto the fact that the solution to all this isn't binary.

That unisex spaces exist, and that places will be encouraged to provide them.

I sincerely hope they encourage them to be in addition to single sex bases, but I'm not holding my bloody breath.

There may have to be some more cases based on the fact that women are disadvantaged by unisex provision.

After all, it's only a handful of pervy, nasty creeps, who tried to get into women's refuges, or were sent to women's prisons, etc.

In terms of validation, it's all about the toilets. Which is why the protests are so vociferous and violent. The validation has been removed in one fell swoop.

still, Starmer, it would appear, has had to pretty much accept the ruling.

Now all he can do is not be enthusiastic about it.

I wonder whether the people who thought doing mass lobotomies on women who had opinions and depression and were 'difficult' thought it was the return of the olden days when lobotomies were discredited and vilified? Or maybe they were just grateful that the patriarchal insanity was over and moved on.

She needed the confirmation about which one a trans woman would have to use. She got the quote for headlines - the men’s.

I think they wanted a catchy quote, a headline, “trans women should use men’s toilets” as Bridget didn’t quite say it, she just repeated they should use the facilities for their biological sex. She was crystal clear in my opinion but the interviewer was like a dog with a bone.

That interview was great. Why do the presenters seem so incredulous though, and keep asking the same questions?

Anybody who has ever spouted nonsense statements like some women have a penis (Keir Starmer, Ed Davey) or that men can grow a cervix (David Lammy); anyone who has ever scolded or bullied women for daring to believe in biology (Starmer vs Rosie Duffield; Nicola Sturgeon, the NHS, various universities, institutions, charities, businesses and other organisations, celebrities, actors, musicians, writers etc); plus anyone who has ever called a woman a terf or transphobe for asserting her sex-based rights - all these people should indeed be issuing fulsome apologies right about now. I won’t hold my breath though.

He's made a brief statement of the "nothing much to see here" type.

But Starmer, and other Labour pols really need their feet holding in the fire for this, all those quotes flung back at them. And as for BP, yes, let's see some positive steps on getting this propaganda out of schools.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-breaks-silence-supreme-35095741

Nope, not imagined. This thread has an article with an analysis by Akua Reindorf that covers that. It’s a brilliant article.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5319672-good-piece-on-current-misreading-of-the-sc-ruling

(edit to include link!)

I didn't notice Labour were in power for the last fourteen years.
Shouldn't you be calling on the Tories to apologise?

Well Rishi Sunak blocked self-ID in Scotland. Would KS I wonder?

🙋‍♀️ One of the loos in Lord Ali’s penthouse flat?

I'm sure the issue of transmen in women's toilets came up in the report? And they said that highly passing transmen shouldn't use the ladies.

And they realise this left them in a double bind. But providers need to think about a third space in order to address the issue.

Did I imagine all that?

Suspect expecting an emotionally intelligent response from him is too much
Did you notice that his comment this morning was about 'adult females'. It seems like he's not sure if we are human.

And Sir Keir is nowhere to be seen or heard.

So he sends an underling who's tipped to be removed at the next reshuffle.

Where is he? Which loo is he hiding in?

@borntobequiet @Nominative I actually never minded if TW used the toilets, as happened back in the day too.

But the other aspects i.e. being able to just self identify without any gender transition and be able to compete in women's' sports, join a board as a TW and it can still be considered 'gender balanced' or having TW perform procedures where women-only were requested was just madness.

But , as borntobequiet says, a spectacular own goal.

Ah, the olden days.

Exactly! This is what “gender nonconformity” looks like to me - you are whatever you are born as, but that shouldn’t restrict how you dress.

And how you dress shouldn’t dictate what sex you are either!