Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

Yes indeed. And I'm all for it. Any mixed sex facility will still have to have gaps

Gender neutral facilities have issues. I used the local swimming pool with a gender neutral “changing village” I was met with a naked man at his locker who apparently “forgot his towel” who was so embarrassed he stood there and said “bet thats woke you up”. I reported him to the police - who to be fair were very good trying to track him down and keeping me informed. But gender neutral areas are not the answer.

I'm sure some of them will @Nominative but they can be confronted and the buzz they get from being able to lord it over you has gone with their entitlement. A man can walk into a children's changing room or a breastfeeding rest room or a room with a 'staff only' sign. They can't be stopped without a risky physical confrontation but their entitlement has gone. Most will tow the line. Eddie Izzard has used the ladies loo but whilst he is still trying to forge a political career for himself, I expect he will be giving it a swerve. They are now going to have to learn to navigate the gents and the power balance has shifted.
We are seeing the death throes of this oppressive movement and I'm sure the strategic thinkers amongst them will be scheming but now that no debate has been seen off, they are going to have to change public opinion and so far they haven't demonstrated that they possess the skill set.

I have no time for anything Philp says. He’s objectionable.
The government has welcomed the clarity. Move on. Stop trying to pretend the Tories were brilliant on it, because they weren’t.

What?

If you look at all the information @Keeptoiletssafe has provided us on here, it really needs to be the case that there are single-sex toilets, with a door gap, for safety reasons. If you collapse in a public toilet with a floor-to-ceiling door, no one will know you’re there until it’s possibly too late.

I thought I'd spotted a gap in the market, and was about to make millions, but it appears someone else was there already.

I asked Google if there was an app that identifies gender neutral toilets.

Yes, there are apps that help identify gender-neutral toilets. One popular app is Refuge Restrooms. It allows users to find and add locations of gender-neutral, single-stall, and LGBTQ+ friendly restrooms.

The unisex space defined in H&S legislation - an enclosed room for single person occupancy.

Many small employers only have this kind of provision.

Some of the comments in the Guardian 🙄 Apparently it's all to do with the rise of fascism and what will we do when we have six foot muscly trans men in our loos. Honestly, I am so sick of these sanctimonious morons spouting off, when they haven't made even the smallest attempt to understand the issues.

Why third spaces? More importantly, how third spaces? [actually fourth spaces because there already are women's, men's and accessible toilets - which are only for disabled people, and as a PP pointed out 'being trans is a choice not a disability', so hands off the accessible toilets!].

Has anybody given any thought to where these fourth spaces are going to be
located in buildings? How much it is going to cost to construct them? Where are bankrupt local authorities going to find the money to provide 'third' spaces in every public building in case one of the 262,000 transpeople out of a population of nearly 70m wants to pee in that specific building and chooses not to use the toilet designated for their biological sex?

'Third' spaces are being presented as a silver bullet but I'm going to keep repeating: on a practical and financial level, they would be expensive and disruptive and as there's nothing really stopping transpeople from using the toilets designated for their sex, except their own feelings, the expense and disruption is just not warranted.

I love the 'this men's space welcomes transwomen sign', though wouldn't it be better if the 'female' figure was also blue??

A new stickering campaign suggests itself😏

Not sure where to share this as it could go on so many threads now, but Helen Joyce shared this and I think it’s marvellous:

Not really. If the woman checked turns out to be female, I am sure that firstly it will become obvious quite quickly, and secondly she will reassure and thank the woman who was doing the asking for defending single sex spaces.

Just like if ‘actual’ women are ‘misgendered’ they just correct and move on. They are secure enough that their reality is unaltered by anyone else getting it wrong.

Why third spaces? More importantly, how third spaces? [actually fourth spaces because there already are women's, men's and accessible toilets - which are only for disabled people, and as a PP pointed out 'being trans is a choice not a disability', so hands off the accessible toilets!].

Has anybody given any thought to where these fourth spaces are going to be
located in buildings? How much it is going to cost to construct them? Where are bankrupt local authorities going to find the money to provide 'third' spaces in every public building in case one of the 262,000 transpeople out of a population of nearly 70m wants to pee in that specific building and chooses not to use the toilet designated for their biological sex?

'Third' spaces are being presented as a silver bullet but I'm going to keep repeating: on a practical and financial level, they would be expensive and disruptive and as there's nothing really stopping transpeople from using the toilets designated for their sex, except their own feelings, the expense and disruption is just not warranted.

I love the 'this men's space welcomes transwomen sign', though wouldn't it be better if the 'female' figure was also blue??

A new stickering campaign suggests itself😏

Some Guardian coverage here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/22/supreme-court-single-sex-provision-bridget-phillipson-uk-politics-latest-updates-news

And Sir Keir is nowhere to be seen or heard.

So he sends an underling who's tipped to be removed at the next reshuffle.

Where is he? Which loo is he hiding in?

But it's a bit meaningless, isn't it? It's not as if anyone polices entry to the toilets. I suspect lots of TW who have quietly been using women's toilets for years without anyone noticing will just continue.

Thank you.

And I've just listened to the Bridget Phillipson interview.

It sounds to me as though the labour party are going to latch onto the fact that the solution to all this isn't binary.

That unisex spaces exist, and that places will be encouraged to provide them.

I sincerely hope they encourage them to be in addition to single sex bases, but I'm not holding my bloody breath.

There may have to be some more cases based on the fact that women are disadvantaged by unisex provision.

After all, it's only a handful of pervy, nasty creeps, who tried to get into women's refuges, or were sent to women's prisons, etc.

In terms of validation, it's all about the toilets. Which is why the protests are so vociferous and violent. The validation has been removed in one fell swoop.

still, Starmer, it would appear, has had to pretty much accept the ruling.

Now all he can do is not be enthusiastic about it.

Very good to hear this from Bridget Phillipson speaking on behalf of the Labour Party.

I had the displeasure of seeing Robin Moira on GMB talking nonsense this morning. When asked what toilet he would be using "the Women's" of course.

Very good to hear this from Bridget Phillipson speaking on behalf of the Labour Party.

I had the displeasure of seeing Robin Moira on GMB talking nonsense this morning. When asked what toilet he would be using "the Women's" of course.

Sorry for duplication, I see @Datun has already answered this.

Yes the ruling applies both ways.