Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

I’ve been mistaken a few times too. I’m not terribly butch but I used to work in a job that was pretty much all male and me and the assumption was you were a bloke possibly not helped by the shapeless, ill fitting, high vis male uniform. Clocked as female as soon as I opened my mouth though

Except as the ruling clarifies, there was nothing wrong with the Act. It specifies sex and gender as being separate - it’s been conflated by powerful pressure grouos but the Act itself made it clear in the first place. All the judgement does is confirm it.

They are in government so can’t avoid responsibility.

I am not a fan of Starmer but I think we should take his statement at face value. It is a waste of effort that needs to be focused on the next phase, to push for more.

I would love an apology but that is unlikely to happen and pushing for one is a distraction.

I think we should use his speech and the of Phillipson as a springboard to drive the work that will be needed to undo the stealthy erosion of women’s right’s throughout aspects of daily life.

Because the TWAW and if you don’t agree you’re a bigot campaign has been incredibly popular. Younger politicians and commentators do actually believe TWAW because they have been programmed to do so but I think people like KS just didn’t want to pick a side and therefore ended up looking really stupid. The SC ruling has been incredibly clear about the law so they have to now come down on one side or another

If all you needed to do to be read as male was wear a hoody and jeans, the world would be a different place.

”Maternity leave you say? By George I thought you were a man!”

”Just going out for a run in the dark - don’t worry I am wearing a hoody!”

”I popped on a hoody and was elected President of the USA!”

What has made Starmer and the Labour party suddenly change their minds? For years they have been anti women, why change now?

Ben Bradshaw is a man and this simply doesn't affect him, his mere opinion is of no value here. The decision has been made and has been clarified and accepted by the government as of today. If they want unisex toilets then make the men's toilets unisex so that men, trans identifying men and women can use them. They can then keep women's single sex spaces for actual real women only. As far as I can tell they have to have a good reason not to provide an appropriate single sex space for women.

Because men might see their penis and transwomen would feel embarrassed/undignified/unsafe presumably? In which case, why doesn’t this apply to the women who might see the transwomen’s penis? So blind to women

TRAs sudden concern for butch lesbians and TIFs since the SC ruling has been truly touching.

( Yes, that is sarcasm).

Labour are the party who wrote the Equality Act and inserted 'gender' into it, creating all this mess in the first place.

Ben Bradshaw on World at One now saying that trans men, who look more like men than he does, will be in the women's toilets and Baroness Faulkner shouldn't be listened to because she is not a trans ally

Ben Bradshaw on the world at one hoping for single gender spaces

and brought up transmen for once

and said how hard transwomen would find it to pee in a bottle in a men’s ward - so propagating the myth that most have surgery

I believe Erishkigalangcleg is referring to this

One of the biggest differences between males and females is the voice. So a quick conversation would sort out any possible confusion.

Back to my work loos - of the 5 floor to ceiling doors only one is outward opening! It is a single sex toilet so no need for full height. Perhaps I should raise this - thank you!

my work have resolved this by having single cubicle toilets in one area and have pointed people there instead of the ladies

What? That I’m more interested in what’s actually happening than scoring party political points about it because that’s what matters to actual women in the actual world? Probably

@Lyannaa @Forgettingblue it's a joke

Gosh, you really don't like women being proved right, do you?

What a day to be out working! Apologies if I am not able to answer questions. This is rushed:

Document T 2024 (public toilets) clearly states single sex toilets are what venues, offices etc should have unless there’s no room (like a small cafe). If there’s lots of room, then you have single sex toilets AND then a universal one. I am paraphrasing but Google Document T.

You can thank Kemi Badenoch for pushing with this.

However, what is really annoying, is that the single sex toilets DONT mention door gaps. They need to.

Also you can use the universal design for single sex toilets. The universal design shows full height doors. Even the ambulant one which ironically is for people who are frail etc and more likely to end up on the floor without being noticed.

The HSE confirmed to me door gaps can be on the single sex ones they just didn’t (forgot to???) put them on. They also need to make sure single sex ones using the universal design specify door gaps.

Remember these universal toilets and single sex toilets have a safety mechanism to open the doors outwards because of the very fact you can’t open a door inwards when there’s a body in the way. (So a locked cubicle isn’t 100% secure). Door gaps offer the best chance of seeing someone and getting someone out in time to use a defibrillator successfully.

I believe they prevent people assaulting other people inside them in the first place.

I don't like them either. They've switched to these in my local leisure centre. I was in the changing room after swimming with my young kids and a large group of male teenagers came in and were running around, swearing, shouting, 'fighting' each other and throwing things around. Its intimidating, and feeling backed into a corner in small cubicle does not make you feel safer. I very much doubt that they would have dared behave like that in a changing room with adult men in. They knew they could get away with it as they knew at that time the pool is largely used by women with kids.

As we got into the car I did see the male staff throwing those teenagers out.

The only design of mixed changing space I liked was in an old victorian pool where the changing rooms were individual cubicles situated around the actual pool, so its very public and very observed by everyone, so it would be extremely hard for someone to do something out of line there.

I imagine that all these pictures and talk about piss are making him think , “hmmm yellow and orange are strong colours for spring and will suit my skin tone. Maybe a little skirt and jacket with some red shoes to accessorise.”

that’s horrific

….and lose

Since when? Who made you the boss of what can and can’t be talked about on Mumsnet?