Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

You think? Lol.

No, sorry.

But I did tease my ex about it for years.

You are supposed to police yourself though. Unless you are a wrong 'un...

There will always be a few that sneak in under the radar. The difference is that they know they shouldn't be there and they can now be challenged.

They will be less bold about it.

Phillipson was clear, but seemed reluctant to say out loud that trans women must use men’s toilets. She kept saying they must use the toilet matching their biological sex. I know it amounts to the same thing (except to the extremists who claim trans women ARE biological women because the hormones change their sex, or some such nonsense), but she clearly didn’t want to say it.

but but but how did you cope with such literal violence???

my understanding is that the correct response is to immediately kick off hurling abuse at the person who said it whilst filming yourself doing so and then later to take to Tik tok doing a mad angry cry about your literal existence being erased

you mean you didn’t do that??

Was a Canadian company. Bought by a big US company some years ago, much to the anger of many Canadians. But that won’t have changed their attitude to toilets any.

@Coatsoff42 I keep wondering how this is going to affect Sandie's case. I heard the NHS were being urged to drop this last week in light of the ruling. Also under the ruling it seems that Dr Upton will have to change in the men's facility.

@Cailin66 I agree that access to women's spaces is very important to them, they don't care about or want unisex spaces at all because that provides no validation. Only access to women's single sex spaces does that.

You mean the trans women?

I think there needs to be public acknowledgement of the fact that it's OK for them not to be happy.

Yes if Labour hadn’t spent the last couple of years saying that the law was very clear with no need for it to be clarified that sex meant female/male (and did not include certificated men) then KS’s silence probably wouldn’t matter so much. It really suited Labour for the law to be widely misinterpreted and they knew that the confusion meant that service providers failed to exclude men from women’s spaces. Presumably KS is just waiting for PMQs to apologise.

It was brought up at the tribunal for sure - she said other women were waiting outside too. Thank goodness their rights to privacy are clear as a bell now.

The talk of third spaces is nonsense. The trans men want to be allowed go into the ladies so giving them a third space won't make them happy.

How and who do I get my evidence to to make the most difference in government now?

I have written to loads of MPs and not one has written back.

Exactly, didn’t poor Sandie Pegg get reported for transphobia for just standing outside the changing room and waiting for Dr Upton to leave?
My BIL works with a trans man and stands outside while they change, he feels awful changing in front of them. If he was reported for transphobia he would be aghast.

Not at all. It's extremely important to be able to challenge or report someone hanging around a women's space - or simply spin around and exit pronto - without worrying that you might end up in trouble yourself.

This is amazing! "I speak for the government...[trans women are not women]". I can hardly believe it. What a change this is. Well done to the women who have fought so long and hard and against such odds to achieve this change. I'm waiting eagerly for the house of commons statement. I hope the delay of a statement from KS is evidence that they are treating this seriously and have prepared a comprehensive and unarguable response. Maybe I need to go and buy some more prosecco!

My DD is tall and strong and used to do a job more often done by men. She wore jeans, heavy jumpers and wore a hat (she worked outside). On occasion she was mistaken, momentarily, for a man when she was in the ladies’. She laughed, they apologised. No problem, no fuss.

When I was younger I did a similar job and was often mistaken for a boy, including, when I first met him, by my children’s father. (In fact he threatened to deck me for laughing at him, but that’s another story).

It’s really not a big deal.

Yes indirect sex discrimination because it disadvantages female people.

Tim Hortons is a Canadian Company, which explains a lot, but I've seen that set up elsewhere too.

I think some letters need a -writing to CEO's.

As we have been told for years, predatory and abusive men will always ignore women's boundaries and/or seek to transgress them.

That will not change. But at least the law is clear.

Some people will break the law, yes.

Tim Hortons: One that was just gents (only a urinal) plus a disabled / unisex.
If there is provision for men-only but not for women-only isn't that sex discrimination?

The more pissing and graffiti is, the quicker the general "be kind" public will understand exactly who they are pandering to.

A bit of embarrassment is fine. Men in women's spaces isn't.

You mean they have been doing it, biological women felt awful and afraid to use the toilets and to stand up and say anything.

I'm sure you meant that.

I work out and about so am often on the hunt for a loo. I come across gender neutral loos much more frequently these days so male / female sign on the door. I was in a Tim Hortons the other day for example and their loos were mostly unisex. One that was just gents ( only a urinal) plus a disabled / unisex. A lot of cafes only have one loo that is male/female/ disabled.

They’ve closed all the public toilets where I live so for me it’s mostly just supermarkets that have single sex toilets.

I'm sure some of them will @Nominative but they can be confronted and the buzz they get from being able to lord it over you has gone with their entitlement. A man can walk into a children's changing room or a breastfeeding rest room or a room with a 'staff only' sign. They can't be stopped without a risky physical confrontation but their entitlement has gone. Most will tow the line. Eddie Izzard has used the ladies loo but whilst he is still trying to forge a political career for himself, I expect he will be giving it a swerve. They are now going to have to learn to navigate the gents and the power balance has shifted.
We are seeing the death throes of this oppressive movement and I'm sure the strategic thinkers amongst them will be scheming but now that no debate has been seen off, they are going to have to change public opinion and so far they haven't demonstrated that they possess the skill set.