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Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

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LizzieSiddal · 22/04/2025 08:19

On R4 at 7.50!!

She said she spoke on behalf of the government, they welcome the judgement and it is now clear, provision must be based on Biological Sex!

Apologies for posting then running (have an appt to get to). but didn’t see another thread on this.

(If you have the sounds App you should easily beable to go to 7.50 and listen)

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HPFA · 22/04/2025 10:14

RedHelenB · 22/04/2025 10:09

I've missed the Tories apologies for presiding over this mess in the first place, but better late than never I suppose.

Yeah, it's almost like they weren't the party in power for the last fourteen years.

GCAcademic · 22/04/2025 10:12

PMQs will be interesting this week 🍿

jodolun · 22/04/2025 10:12

HPFA · 22/04/2025 09:59

Exactly.

Most people aren't going to be searching intently for stray transwomen in female loos but it should put a stop to the idiots going in to flash their dicks around.

The ruling is clear though, all males regardless of how they identify need to use the men's facilities doing anything else is a transgression of women's rights and the law.

@BiologicalRobot was absolutely correct, its up to men to police themselves, the only man who continues to insist on invading women's single sex spaces is a "wrong 'un".

nauticant · 22/04/2025 10:12

Speaking on Tuesday morning, Conservative spokesperson Chris Philp said the prime minister should apologise “to the country” and to a former Labour MP for his previous comments on gender identity.

Philp, the shadow home secretary, told Sky News: “Keir Starmer has been all over the place on this. He claimed a year or two ago, that women could have penises, which is ridiculous.

“He even drove Rosie Duffield out of the Labour Party for taking a common sense view of this issue, which has now been vindicated by the Supreme Court judgement.

“So Keir Starmer should apologise to the country for what he said a few years ago. He should particularly apologise to Rosie Duffield for driving her out of the Labour Party on this issue. So I completely welcome the Supreme Court judgement.”

Felinnefine · 22/04/2025 10:12

RedHelenB · 22/04/2025 10:09

I've missed the Tories apologies for presiding over this mess in the first place, but better late than never I suppose.

Really? 🤔 Let’s not go over the history of the western world captured by the gender ideology debacle.

StressedLP1 · 22/04/2025 10:12

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/04/2025 09:45

but but but how did you cope with such literal violence???

my understanding is that the correct response is to immediately kick off hurling abuse at the person who said it whilst filming yourself doing so and then later to take to Tik tok doing a mad angry cry about your literal existence being erased

you mean you didn’t do that??

Edited

You forgot the “and then throw piss at people” requirement.

HPFA · 22/04/2025 10:10

If Helen Joyce can call BP's interview "really excellent" I'm not sure what people are finding to nitpick about it here. It's almost like they'd prefer the government not to say this so they can carry on attacking Labour.......

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RedHelenB · 22/04/2025 10:09

Felinnefine · 22/04/2025 10:08

Agree with the shadow home sec

Edited

I've missed the Tories apologies for presiding over this mess in the first place, but better late than never I suppose.

Lovelysummerdays · 22/04/2025 10:09

senua · 22/04/2025 09:27

Tim Hortons: One that was just gents (only a urinal) plus a disabled / unisex.
If there is provision for men-only but not for women-only isn't that sex discrimination?

Possibly there was a ladies only to balance it out, I will have a closer look at signs next time. I think there was a practicality aspect in that this self contained cubicle was too narrow to fit a loo but can squeeze in a urinal. I don’t mind that, I use this coffee shop a lot as they have plenty of charging sockets, 3 hours free parking, there are plenty of toilets and they are clean. Maybe lots of blokes prefer a urinal. This frees up the unisex provision and keeps pee off of the toilet seat.

Felinnefine · 22/04/2025 10:08

Agree with the shadow home sec

Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.
Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.
musicalfrog · 22/04/2025 10:07

TeenagersAngst · 22/04/2025 09:13

I just can't take any Labour politician seriously on the issue when you consider what they have said in recent years.

Anas Sarwar's claim to have supported this position all along was quite incredible. Bare faced lying.

Bridget Phillipson must be relieved not to have to contort herself into saying men can have penises, or whatever BS she has spouted in the past.

Useful idiots, the lot of them.

Edited

There is definitely less umming and aahhing now on the topic, you know, just like we've enjoyed all along as we had clear definitive answers. Because they're working with the truth now! How refreshing. I hope MPs will feel the benefit tbh.

Great interview thanks for the link.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/04/2025 10:06

So he's changed his tune, but no apology or acknowledgement of the fact he previously said 1% of women have penises?

Pathetic.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 22/04/2025 10:03

SameyMcNameChange · 22/04/2025 09:53

Not really. If the woman checked turns out to be female, I am sure that firstly it will become obvious quite quickly, and secondly she will reassure and thank the woman who was doing the asking for defending single sex spaces.

Just like if ‘actual’ women are ‘misgendered’ they just correct and move on. They are secure enough that their reality is unaltered by anyone else getting it wrong.

My husband and son (and I) have long hair. The number of times we go to a restaurant and a harried waitperson says “Table for 3, ladies?” is uncountable. And you know what? No one has ever died.

Felinnefine · 22/04/2025 10:03

And yes to PP who asked about what BP is doing about schools wrt this judgement. That’s her area and come on Bridget, do your job.

We shouldn’t be happy with crumbs like this morning, it shows how low they’ve taken us.

Felinnefine · 22/04/2025 10:01

1apenny2apenny · 22/04/2025 08:47

Given all the comments made by the Labour Party before, during and since the election this is not enough.

I want an announcement from KS that they have heard this judgement and it will be made clear to all public and private bodies that they must adhere to the law. There’s been too much in the press over the past few days about many MPs not being happy and them regrouping and putting pressure on KS. To do what I’m not sure but you can bet that the TRAs are in over drive at the moment.

Lets not forget that they said a woman can have a penis, we haven’t heard that them admit they were wrong.

Yes. This. Having BP Education minister talking about this on an early morning radio show isn’t enough. Having her talk about it anywhere, isn’t enough

Come on Keir, do your job.

I want an announcement from KS that they have heard this judgement and it will be made clear to all public and private bodies that they must adhere to the law.

There’s been too much in the press over the past few days about many MPs not being happy and them regrouping and putting pressure on KS. To do what I’m not sure but you can bet that the TRAs are in over drive at the moment.

Lets not forget that they said a woman can have a penis, we haven’t heard that them admit they were wrong.

HPFA · 22/04/2025 09:59

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/04/2025 09:48

There will always be a few that sneak in under the radar. The difference is that they know they shouldn't be there and they can now be challenged.

They will be less bold about it.

Exactly.

Most people aren't going to be searching intently for stray transwomen in female loos but it should put a stop to the idiots going in to flash their dicks around.

HPFA · 22/04/2025 09:56

Of course this was going to be the government's position.

A few Labour MPs bleating was never going to alter that.

lifeturnsonadime · 22/04/2025 09:56

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 22/04/2025 09:45

Was a Canadian company. Bought by a big US company some years ago, much to the anger of many Canadians. But that won’t have changed their attitude to toilets any.

Ah, I stand corrected.

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 09:55

It’s not meaningless - didn’t the women at WiSpa complain about a flasher but rather that the assailant being dealt with, the women were rounded on and suffered accusations of being ‘transphobic’?

Granted, that wasn’t in the UK. However, if a situation was to arise here that was similar, at least now women know they can confidently and with the backing of the law, assert their right not to be assaulted rather than being accused of a hate crime.

jodolun · 22/04/2025 09:54

@MimiGC I've seen this very stance play out on reddit where people are now saying it was a mistake to say sex and gender are different and that they should have been attacking the notion of biology all along while others are saying that they are in fact biological women because they have surgeries and use cross sex hormones or that they were always women in some unknown biological (even though they were born with typical male bodies) way which will be discovered someday. In short they are all over the place while the line from women has always been that are and remain the sex they are observed to be at birth and that the law should reflect this obvious reality.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2025 09:54

MimiGC · 22/04/2025 09:46

Phillipson was clear, but seemed reluctant to say out loud that trans women must use men’s toilets. She kept saying they must use the toilet matching their biological sex. I know it amounts to the same thing (except to the extremists who claim trans women ARE biological women because the hormones change their sex, or some such nonsense), but she clearly didn’t want to say it.

If she thinks she’s fudging it won’t do her any good with TRAs who think biological sex is a dog whistle.

SameyMcNameChange · 22/04/2025 09:53

Nominative · 22/04/2025 09:17

That's going to cause a bit of embarrassment when the people ordered out turn out to be women.

Not really. If the woman checked turns out to be female, I am sure that firstly it will become obvious quite quickly, and secondly she will reassure and thank the woman who was doing the asking for defending single sex spaces.

Just like if ‘actual’ women are ‘misgendered’ they just correct and move on. They are secure enough that their reality is unaltered by anyone else getting it wrong.

Bruisername · 22/04/2025 09:52

senua · 22/04/2025 08:27

She said she spoke on behalf of the government, they welcome the judgement
She was on the radio to talk about her subject (Education) but the interviewer insisted that they first start the conversation by talking about the SC judgement.
So when did the Government talk about this? And when were they going to volunteer the outcome of their discussion? Has KS offered any comment yet?

She’s also cabinet minister for equality so she was asked about it in that role

Kinsters · 22/04/2025 09:52

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/04/2025 09:48

There will always be a few that sneak in under the radar. The difference is that they know they shouldn't be there and they can now be challenged.

They will be less bold about it.

Yes, it will raise the bar of who thinks it is worth it. If they know they won't immediately be indulged in their fantasy then I expect plenty won't bother.

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