Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

Quite.

Labour got in at the GE because they weren't the Tories. That was it.

We are at risk of having a large number of Reform MPs at the next one because they aren't the usual politicians.

Transmen are women, they’re welcome to use women’s toilets.

I’d agree, I don’t really want to turn into a facsimile of TRAs where nothing less than complete agreement phrased a specific way will ever be good enough.

I think the politicians who will be working on the implementation of clarification and a rollback of stonewall misinformation should feel and hear support. I do appreciate they should of done more and earlier. However probably work out better if not feeling constant criticism from both sides.

Hopefully she will ask him if he thinks some women have penises.

So if TW have to use male toilets….then do trans men have to use female? I can certainly say I would be more uncomfortable with that than a TW

She should ask if he regrets his previous comments on the issue.

Kemi will ask if Keir Starmer accepts the judgement.

He'll say Yes.

Then she'll ask him again five times.

Her fans will see it as a triumph.

Luckily they now have four years to prove to voters that they take women's rights seriously.

Keir Starmer saying that a woman is an adult human female is a huge win! Should they apologise to the women wronged? Yes. Will they? Unlikely. I don't think it much matters personally.

I’m looking forward to a video stitching together all the politicians’ “before and after” comments.

I assume Mr Menno is on it!

And yes that goes for every party. If they're not aware the damage done to public confidence in politics over this they'd better wake the fuck up sharply.

The Supreme Court judgement gives essential clarity from which we move forward. I am not a fan of the labour government at the moment but posters using this interview as a reason to bash the government and explain how much they hate KS is pointless general labour bashing. What happens next is the most important thing.

I'm very pleased by BP and Starmer’s response, but if I was to ever consider voting Labour again it'd take a fucking wheen more than that to convince me they're not vacuous, lying, misogynist, opportunist cowards with flexible morals.

Agreed

Didn't the Tories instigate the Cass review? Not defending them because they could have done a lot more, but they at least set some groundwork.

I think Helen Joyce is being extremely charitable and is trying to focus on the future. Good for her.

But I struggle to forget all the ridiculous interviews with politicians (of all stripes) fumbling about and trying to explain how women could have penises or grow a cervix. Did they really believe this stuff? If they did, why aren't they sticking to their beliefs? If they didn't, why did they lie? Either way, the optics are terrible.

I'd quite like an apology from the Labour party about the Rosie Duffield treatment, the ejection from the party of GC women which was supported by the likes of Lisa Nandy. I'm not about to let them rewrite history, loads of us on MN chose not to vote Labour because of their views on this issue. BP is agreeing with a law that she should have been fucking agreeing with years ago.

And how come she's speaking for the government on this, does KS consider it beneath his pay grade?

I think Labour really have no choice, for several reasons.

1. The Equality Act is their own legislation and a fair number of Labour MPs were involved in drafting it. They cannot now claim that they intended the Gender Recognition Act to supersede women's sex based rights because they did not draft that, they did not even hint it, the Supreme Court could not find any indication that that is what they meant, and you will not find it in Hansard either. If it were Tory legislation they could at least say, "We would have done it differently."
2. They previously said that the Equality Act does not need amending to clarify that sex means biological sex, because this is already clear. They didn't say it shouldn't be amended to clarify that sex means biological sex because it actually means legal sex. This means that they are already on record as agreeing with the Supreme Court that it is bloody obvious that sex means biological sex and that the legislation is fine the way it is and doesn't need amending.
3. If they were to perform a U-turn now and say that yes, their legislation is clear, but actually it is wrong and should be changed, they would have to say to the electorate that yes, actually, they think the demands of the violent, woman hating thugs currently defacing statues, threatening to kill TERFs, throwing their piss everywhere and generally openly defying the law should be prioritised over women's right to single sex safe spaces.

And hopefully put an end to the god awful toilet selfies that have been plastered all over SM.

no need to do that but it would be good if those who were actively and passively complicit in undermining women’s rights did apologise now, whatever their political hue is.

On a visit to a school in south-west England, Starmer told the BBC: “I welcome the decision of the Supreme Court, which has given us clarity, much-needed clarity, and I think for those that are now drawing up guidance, it’s a much clearer position.

“So I’m really pleased that the court has now clarified the position. We can move on from there and I think that’s been very helpful, and I would welcome that.”

Asked further whether this means he does not believe a trans woman is in fact a woman, the PM said: “A woman is an adult female, and the court has made that absolutely clear.”

Starmer also suggested guidance needs to be shared to public bodies to ensure all organisations following the ruling.

“We need to move and make sure that we now ensure that all guidance is in the right place according to that judgment”, he told ITV West Country.

That is it folks. It looks we have WON! Of course this could be A HUGE LIE.

We keep watching and judging, wait for the guidance, but Labour right now look to be obeying the LAW.

Keep fighting. They are only doing this because they are scared. As soon as we show weakness they will swap sides.

"Having BP Education minister talking about this on an early morning radio show isn’t enough."

BP is also the Minister for Women and Equalities, so this is part of her remit, and the most appropriate person to talk about it.

Will watch it. Despite Fiona.

Really? Labour brought in the GRA, and caused all
this mess. And have only clarified due to brave women pushing on it.

No. As an ex Labour voter I’ve been totally betrayed by the Labour Party. As all women have. Helen Joyce is happy with Bridget’s interview, amazing. But some of us want more from Labour, we want more from the PM of the UK.