Bridget Philipson- TW should use toilets according to biological Sex.

LizzieSiddal · 2025-04-22T07:19:55+00:00

On R4 at 7.50!! She said she spoke on behalf of the government, they welcome the judgement and it is now clear, provision must be based on Biological Sex! Apologies for posting then running (have an appt to get to). but didn’t see another thread on this. (If you have the sounds App you should easily beable to go to 7.50 and listen)

IDareSay · 22/04/2025 21:25

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 17:50

I thought the government was going to make an official statement today in parliament? When can we expect this?

Statement began at 5.30pm today. Go to Parliament tv live and rewind to that time.

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8649ad2d-00b8-485d-ab0a-ce3be0799678

NoFineBalance · 22/04/2025 19:18

moto748e · 22/04/2025 19:08

You'd hope that the likes of Maggie Chapman wouldn't be let anywhere near drafting any guidance for anytihng.

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Let's hope so. I believe she is Deputy Convener of the Equality, Human Rights and Civil Justice select committees, which does not bode well. However, she is at least being called out, and now she can't get away with this Stonewall fueled nonsense. Another report from the BBC on Chapman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx25xzy4eggo

Maggie Chapman - a woman with short greying hair and lasses -speaking

Lawyers criticise Maggie Chapman's comments on Supreme Court gender ruling

Maggie Chapman was filmed condemning what she called "bigotry, prejudice and hatred" by the Supreme Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx25xzy4eggo

moto748e · 22/04/2025 19:08

NoFineBalance · 22/04/2025 18:35

Apologies if this has already been linked, but Blackbelt Barrister has given a good overview of Starmer's interview and also covers MSP Maggie Chapman's attempt to discredit the Supreme Court.

You'd hope that the likes of Maggie Chapman wouldn't be let anywhere near drafting any guidance for anytihng.

borntobequiet · 22/04/2025 18:53

Chrysanthemum5 · 22/04/2025 18:37

As an aside I've never seen RMW next to a biological woman before - I think it would be fairly obvious which toilet RMW should use

She looked less than comfortable. They had been seated quite close together, and he does rather loom.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 18:52

teawamutu · 22/04/2025 18:41

Not just getting the law wrong - getting the name of the law wrong.

As much as expert as he is a woman.

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In the example he is not treated worse than a man without the PC of GR.

SternJoyousBee · 22/04/2025 18:48

Thank you to everyone give the various links. Dashing them to watch later. RMW is utterly insufferable so I might need to consume some alcohol before I watch him.

teawamutu · 22/04/2025 18:41

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/04/2025 18:29

Totally misquoting the law- making a threat if people say no to a man’s whims. No need to ask whether Robin is a bloke with that threatening attitude and sense of entitlement

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Not just getting the law wrong - getting the name of the law wrong.

As much as expert as he is a woman.

Chrysanthemum5 · 22/04/2025 18:37

As an aside I've never seen RMW next to a biological woman before - I think it would be fairly obvious which toilet RMW should use

NoFineBalance · 22/04/2025 18:35

Apologies if this has already been linked, but Blackbelt Barrister has given a good overview of Starmer's interview and also covers MSP Maggie Chapman's attempt to discredit the Supreme Court.

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 22/04/2025 18:29

mrshoho · 22/04/2025 17:15

https://x.com/GMB/status/1914572522181345524?t=aLD_DB6UT2Sq7s-7PH-qew&s=09

What a plank Robin is. Arrogance that surprised even Richard Madeley i think!

Totally misquoting the law- making a threat if people say no to a man’s whims. No need to ask whether Robin is a bloke with that threatening attitude and sense of entitlement

ItsCoolForCats · 22/04/2025 17:50

I thought the government was going to make an official statement today in parliament? When can we expect this?

moto748e · 22/04/2025 17:29

I couldn't possibly say! 😛

Chersfrozenface · 22/04/2025 17:15

The Beeb making its opinion clear, there. I wonder how many 'many' are. 10%? 50%? I did think that "we" in the last sentence sounds a bit odd. Who is 'we'?

Who is we? The BBC Pride LGBTQ+++ staff network? They seem to have control of editorial policy at the Beeb.

mrshoho · 22/04/2025 17:15

https://x.com/GMB/status/1914572522181345524?t=aLD_DB6UT2Sq7s-7PH-qew&s=09

What a plank Robin is. Arrogance that surprised even Richard Madeley i think!

https://x.com/GMB/status/1914572522181345524?s=09&t=aLD_DB6UT2Sq7s-7PH-qew

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 17:15

moto748e · 22/04/2025 16:56

From the BBC piece:

Many Labour MPs will be uneasy about the comments from Sir Keir and Phillipson.
For now this appears confined to private frustration.
Some MPs who have campaigned in support of trans rights pointed to commitments in Labour's general election manifesto to introduce a "trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices" as well as to "modernise, simplify, and reform" gender recognition law.
Those are still Labour Party policies, as far as we are aware, but any sign of backsliding on that and this debate may again become a tense one within Labour's ranks.

The Beeb making its opinion clear, there. I wonder how many 'many' are. 10%? 50%? I did think that "we" in the last sentence sounds a bit odd. Who is 'we'? The BBC? It's not a formulation they normally use. But I guess it's a good question to ask:"Is modernisiing, simplifying and reforming gender recognition law still Govt policy, or not?"

Whatever KS and BP have said, now that the law has been stated, any attempt to change it will have to be made in public through the normal channels.

If they can argue that it’s possible to change sex, perhaps they could try alchemy next. Might boost the economy.

ErrolTheDragon · 22/04/2025 17:13

moto748e · 22/04/2025 16:56

From the BBC piece:

Many Labour MPs will be uneasy about the comments from Sir Keir and Phillipson.
For now this appears confined to private frustration.
Some MPs who have campaigned in support of trans rights pointed to commitments in Labour's general election manifesto to introduce a "trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices" as well as to "modernise, simplify, and reform" gender recognition law.
Those are still Labour Party policies, as far as we are aware, but any sign of backsliding on that and this debate may again become a tense one within Labour's ranks.

The Beeb making its opinion clear, there. I wonder how many 'many' are. 10%? 50%? I did think that "we" in the last sentence sounds a bit odd. Who is 'we'? The BBC? It's not a formulation they normally use. But I guess it's a good question to ask:"Is modernisiing, simplifying and reforming gender recognition law still Govt policy, or not?"

It’s the ‘backsliding’ that sounds odd to me - I’m not sure I’ve ever heard the term being used outside of fairly evangelical Christian contexts, eg university CU. Maybe not so odd then…

TeenToTwenties · 22/04/2025 17:00

It would be modernised, simplified and reformed if it were just repealed!

moto748e · 22/04/2025 16:56

From the BBC piece:

Many Labour MPs will be uneasy about the comments from Sir Keir and Phillipson.
For now this appears confined to private frustration.
Some MPs who have campaigned in support of trans rights pointed to commitments in Labour's general election manifesto to introduce a "trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices" as well as to "modernise, simplify, and reform" gender recognition law.
Those are still Labour Party policies, as far as we are aware, but any sign of backsliding on that and this debate may again become a tense one within Labour's ranks.

The Beeb making its opinion clear, there. I wonder how many 'many' are. 10%? 50%? I did think that "we" in the last sentence sounds a bit odd. Who is 'we'? The BBC? It's not a formulation they normally use. But I guess it's a good question to ask:"Is modernisiing, simplifying and reforming gender recognition law still Govt policy, or not?"

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 16:51

BiologicalRobot · 22/04/2025 16:27

From that guardian article comments section a few pages ago

Yep, let's forget intersex people.
Just because religion boils it down to male and female, biology does not.

UK law has never recognised any sex other than male or female so no change there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2025 16:44

He’ll look insane if he denies it.

senua · 22/04/2025 16:37

New headline on the lead article about this in the Times:
"Keir Starmer no longer believes trans women are women"
It's a clever headline. KS didn't actually said TWANW so they've said it for him, daring him to deny it.

BiologicalRobot · 22/04/2025 16:27

From that guardian article comments section a few pages ago

Yep, let's forget intersex people.
Just because religion boils it down to male and female, biology does not.

chaosmaker · 22/04/2025 16:20

Hwi · 22/04/2025 10:30

They could use disabled toilets if there is nobody in the disabled toilet or no queue for it? No?

NO, unless they are disabled, OBVIOUSLY.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/04/2025 16:03

BorneBackCeaselesslyIntoThePas · 22/04/2025 15:07

There used to be a tagline for a company that read ‘life comes at you hard’

i fully identify with that idea because I (and I’m sure lots of other people on this forum) have been trying to calm our trans identified son down and thus isn’t the end of the world

and just for added flavour, we think this whole thing is rubbish. Women are born not worn. But life takes you to strange places, and it’s pretty dark here

I feel for you 💐

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/04/2025 15:54

New headline on the lead article about this in the Times:
"Keir Starmer no longer believes trans women are women"

It must be like having that infected tooth pulled out for him. Finaly he can speak rationally about all this.