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Anyone else dreading the demands from the staff LGBTQIABC groups tomorrow?

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Taytoface · 21/04/2025 18:35

I am soooo dreading going in tomorrow and having to discuss this. I know there will be pressure for the CEO to make a statement of solidarity with trans and NB staff (although what to say to the enbies I have no clue - you didn't exist in law before this and you still don't? Mozeltoff!).

I am going to have to say why I think this is a bad idea, and likely out myself as a gender critical hag.

Happy to hear how others are planning to tackle.

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GreenUp · 25/04/2025 18:33

Taytoface · 25/04/2025 08:29

And this it begins. There is a gathering today. Nothing has been asked of me as yet. I suspect it will become obvious I am terven. Thanks to all the courageous women that doesn't hold the fear it once did.

Did it go okay?

Taytoface · 25/04/2025 08:29

And this it begins. There is a gathering today. Nothing has been asked of me as yet. I suspect it will become obvious I am terven. Thanks to all the courageous women that doesn't hold the fear it once did.

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DragonRunor · 24/04/2025 07:22

storminabuttercup · 23/04/2025 22:34

Interestingly on the chats I saw a trans woman say ‘I’m not comfortable I using the mixed gender space’ now those spaces are totally contained loo, sink, hand drier. Why not?

Well, where’s the validation in that?!

Leafstamp · 24/04/2025 07:13

storminabuttercup · 23/04/2025 22:25

Our LGBTQ etc group have said that trans women can still use the women’s facilities
i don’t think my office has any trans women
I’m watching with interest

Are you able to collect the evidence and write to EHRC about this?

Seymourscat · 24/04/2025 07:05

I work in a HEI and colleagues I follow on some social media have been posting their sorrow at the judgement etc. none of them know I’m GC. Though my silence on it, along with my failure to put pronouns in my e mails is probably a give away.

I am slightly nervous that some of the staff in my department will propose some big performative gesture in support of trans students. They treat the students like babies as it is! I think I will keep well out of it and if asked say, the ruling is clear and there are a range of views on this. As suggested up thread.

storminabuttercup · 23/04/2025 22:34

Mellownellow · 23/04/2025 22:29

We have had the intranet and newsletter "we know you need support in this time of need" notices with lots of links to counselling. Nothing about supporting women as a pp predicted.

Interestingly on the chats I saw a trans woman say ‘I’m not comfortable I using the mixed gender space’ now those spaces are totally contained loo, sink, hand drier. Why not?

Mellownellow · 23/04/2025 22:29

We have had the intranet and newsletter "we know you need support in this time of need" notices with lots of links to counselling. Nothing about supporting women as a pp predicted.

storminabuttercup · 23/04/2025 22:25

Our LGBTQ etc group have said that trans women can still use the women’s facilities
i don’t think my office has any trans women
I’m watching with interest

Taytoface · 22/04/2025 18:31

Nothing here either, but could just be people revving up after Easter break

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SidewaysOtter · 22/04/2025 17:01

Chariots77 · 22/04/2025 14:41

Has anybody's workplace been completely silent on this? My employer usually sends out comms pieces quickly whenever there's something that will affect us, but so far... silence

Mine has been completely silent. Not so much a couple of my colleagues who are full TRA on LinkedIn Hmm

As a side note, when did LinkedIn become so political/virtue signally? It used to be just “Hey I’ve got a new job” and sharing stuff relevant to your industry.

BezMills · 22/04/2025 16:46

Complete absence of comment at my uk wide comms meeting. Dei was mentioned, as was pride month. We even had a gen Z stand up and talk about cross generations understanding in the workplace (not kidding, and it was actually fine ngl). No mention of the thing tho. For which I am thankful

cornishatheart · 22/04/2025 14:48

A Downing Street spokesman gave a very definitive statement a few minutes ago, it's on the bbc website as a headline - Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says.

Chariots77 · 22/04/2025 14:41

Has anybody's workplace been completely silent on this? My employer usually sends out comms pieces quickly whenever there's something that will affect us, but so far... silence

devildeepbluesea · 21/04/2025 21:19

I’m lucky enough not to be in an organisation where this is going to be an issue but surely - you just abide by the ruling, blame the SC and crack on?

Violetparis · 21/04/2025 21:17

Keep it factual, and say as a result of the clarification, single sex spaces must be based on biological sex but gender neutral facilities are available (I presume this can be done). Say the company can't be at risk of breaking the law or lawsuits. Keep it brief and stick to facts. Good luck.

AgnesX · 21/04/2025 21:14

Every big meeting we have there's always someone of the alphabet whinging about discrimination and how hard done by they are. Our next monthly meeting isn't for a couple of weeks but I strongly suspect that the "ask the SLT" will be hijacked.

SidewaysOtter · 21/04/2025 21:10

I’ve already checked all the work “socials”, email, intranet etc and nothing. Thankfully.

BezMills · 21/04/2025 20:55

We have our monthlyish UK all hands tomorrow, but I don't expect it to be mentioned. There is a bit of he/himming in the email sigs, mainly grads/youngers but the occasional surprising senior ish type. We are quite earnest about DEI generally, which I am all in favour of, genuinely. I am in multinational big tech and the main topics are sexism and cultural sensitivity rather than gender expression.

thenightsky · 21/04/2025 20:50

WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix · 21/04/2025 19:15

Sex matters have published some advice on this, including advising companies not to "make statements that the organisation disagrees with the Equality Act or the Supreme Court judgment, or that favour or prioritise particular groups".

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-putting-the-supreme-court-ruling-into-practice/

I'm also fully expecting to find a front page intranet article supporting our LGBTQIA+ colleagues - with not a mention of women or the protections this gives to lesbians and trans men - so am trying to get my thoughts organised in advance.

I love point 20. That's going to put some noses out of joint.

Felinnefine · 21/04/2025 20:45

transwomen equality head

🙈🙈 he’ll be fighting tooth and fake nails to keep his job.. won’t have much to do surely.

storminabuttercup · 21/04/2025 20:45

Our women’s network became more ‘inclusive’ years ago and we see more trans stuff on there than ever this last few years I mainly ignore it now it’s clearly not aimed at me any more

union stances interest me as I saw a fair few flags at these protests this weekend, I’m a staunch Union supporter and never had any reason to doubt mine (never seen any posts about twaw for example) but if they start any nonsense I’ll be voting with my feet

bluenova · 21/04/2025 20:43

Kindersurprising · 21/04/2025 19:41

Yes. We have a transwomen equality head as well. What now?

You can tell them they have to represent the law.

Felinnefine · 21/04/2025 20:40

Wear an eg. Enamel Suffragette badge.

Anyone GC would notice it and you’d immediately have people you can now openly discuss this with- and if hassled by others, quote the SC ruling.

IHeartHalloumi · 21/04/2025 20:38

WomanWithoutNeedOfPrefix · 21/04/2025 19:15

Sex matters have published some advice on this, including advising companies not to "make statements that the organisation disagrees with the Equality Act or the Supreme Court judgment, or that favour or prioritise particular groups".

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-putting-the-supreme-court-ruling-into-practice/

I'm also fully expecting to find a front page intranet article supporting our LGBTQIA+ colleagues - with not a mention of women or the protections this gives to lesbians and trans men - so am trying to get my thoughts organised in advance.

Very helpful thank you. I have been unhappy with the NHS use of the pride flag on official documents for some time and am planning on raising this. Firstly I'm going to ask them to review their staff changing room guidance as it's not legally compliant.

FrippEnos · 21/04/2025 20:35

It will be interesting to see what our NB member of staff wears tomorrow.