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Cardiff March for trans liberation, today

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ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 15:42

They've shared a new selection of chants:

I can't link, as it's FB, but will attach a screen shot.

Trans Aid Cymru

'Our chants for tomorrow! 📢

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Slide 1:

CARDIFF MARCH FOR TRANS LIBERATION
CHANT SHEET

Butches femmes, bottoms tops, everybody hates the cops

No justice, no peace! No racist police!

Oink oink piggy piggies! You’re not welcome in our city!

Kier Starmer - blood on your hands!
Wes Streeting - blood on your hands!
UK Labour - blood on your hands!
NHS - blood on your hands!
Hillary Cass - blood on your hands!

History will recall, Wes Streeting did nothing at all!

Wes Streeting/Kier Starmer’s a wasteman!

Slide 2:

CARDIFF MARCH FOR TRANS LIBERATION
CHANT SHEET

No borders, No nations- trans liberation!

Say it louder say it clear! Transphobia ain’t welcome here!

The queers united will never be defeated!

UK Government you’re all cowards! We the queers have the power!

We are the revolution! fuck transphobic institutions!

Give us hormones, give us love, rainbow logos are not enough!

not the courts, not the state, we decide our own fate!

HRT, HRT, over the counter and for free!

How many more have to die, before you stand up and fight?

Slide 3:

CARDIFF MARCH FOR TRANS LIBERATION
CHANT SHEET

1 - We are the queers
2 - We won’t be silent
3 - Trans liberation now now now!

We will not be quiet! Stonewall was a riot!

Fck your system, fck your hate, we are not here for debate!

We’re here, we’re queer, shove transphobia up your rear!

When trans women are under attack, what do we do?
Stand up fight back.

When trans kids are under attack, what do we do? Stand up fight back.

Slide 4:

CARDIFF MARCH FOR TRANS LIBERATION
CHANT SHEET

We will honour all our martyrs
All the children, sons and daughters
We will honour all our martyrs
All the parents, mothers fathers

The women of Gaza are revolutionary!

One struggle, one fight - Palestine, trans rights!'

Cardiff March for trans liberation, today
Cardiff March for trans liberation, today
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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 20:12

WaffleParty · 21/04/2025 20:06

I question the motives when the first - massively long - post is all about how some protesters are using stupid messages and then there’s a p.s. acknowledging that the majority of trans people and their allies do not support this nonsense.
Mass protests always attract nutters. Nature of the beast. It doesn’t mean trans people don’t have genuine reasons to challenge the unnecessary aggression coming their way.

When the messages are circulated by the protest organisers, then the protest is organised by the nutters. We are justified in calling that out.

the unnecessary aggression coming their way

[Citation needed]

spannasaurus · 21/04/2025 20:08

WaffleParty · 21/04/2025 20:06

I question the motives when the first - massively long - post is all about how some protesters are using stupid messages and then there’s a p.s. acknowledging that the majority of trans people and their allies do not support this nonsense.
Mass protests always attract nutters. Nature of the beast. It doesn’t mean trans people don’t have genuine reasons to challenge the unnecessary aggression coming their way.

Those messages were circulated by the organisers of the protest

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 20:08

IHeartHalloumi · 21/04/2025 19:59

But presumably whether or not one can speak Welsh is a binary state and therefore inherently transphobic?

Ability to speak (and read and write) a language actually does have gradations, unlike sex.

For instance the Common European Framework of Reference for Languages is used to describe what levels language learners have reached. There is a CEFR table for Welsh learners.

WaffleParty · 21/04/2025 20:06

I question the motives when the first - massively long - post is all about how some protesters are using stupid messages and then there’s a p.s. acknowledging that the majority of trans people and their allies do not support this nonsense.
Mass protests always attract nutters. Nature of the beast. It doesn’t mean trans people don’t have genuine reasons to challenge the unnecessary aggression coming their way.

IHeartHalloumi · 21/04/2025 20:02

What do we want?
HRT!
When do we want it?
At the menopause or perimenopause after assessment by a knowledgeable GP or gynaecologist (provided there are no significant contraindications)*

*other indications such as post hysterectomy or premature menopause exist

IHeartHalloumi · 21/04/2025 19:59

thevassal · 21/04/2025 19:09

there's actually a comparatively high level of Welsh in Cardiff because so many jobs are based there that require (or at least prefer) Welsh - the senedd, the welsh govt, bbc wales, s4c, etc. There are some very welsh-y enclaves in Pontcanna, for example, many of whom work in welsh media. Approximately 1/6th of all schools in Cardiff are welsh language (at all levels).

In the last census Cardiff actually had the biggest increase in welsh speakers out of every local authority in the whole country.

Then there will of course be other people who aren't fluent but wouldn't be classed as 'non-welsh speakers' either.

Still a minority but not a 'vast' majority either.

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But presumably whether or not one can speak Welsh is a binary state and therefore inherently transphobic?

myplace · 21/04/2025 19:50

cariadlet · 21/04/2025 19:38

Citizen Smith, maybe?

I don't remember there being many laughs in Citizen Kane.

Of course! It’s almost as old as me so I don’t actually remember much 🤣

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 19:40

Wales Online says twice that "thousands" marched in Cardiff, and once that "over a thousand" did so.

Well, it can't be both.

And anyway, who counted?

cariadlet · 21/04/2025 19:38

myplace · 21/04/2025 19:10

I feel as though I’m getting echoes of a British comedy show. Possible Citizen Kane, or the Young Ones? Or possibly On the busses 🤣

Just random slogans all jumbled together regardless of meaning.
I mean the Judea People’s Front need a go, too.

Citizen Smith, maybe?

I don't remember there being many laughs in Citizen Kane.

2Rebecca · 21/04/2025 19:34

I’ve no desire to give them more publicity
I am interested in women and feminism.

terryleather · 21/04/2025 19:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 16:06

Yes, was going to say same! I think it was in part drafted by Harry Josephine Giles, who was prominent at one of the Scottish protests on Sat. If you read something Giles wrote called “Wages for Transition” you will recognise the style. https://hjosephinegiles.medium.com/wages-for-transition-dce2b246b9b7

Yet another in the looooong long line of entitled white men trying to launder their privilege...

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 19:24

Winterwonders24 · 21/04/2025 19:05

You're saying @ArabellaScott is stirring up hate by reporting what a vocal minority are singing at a demo? You shoot that messenger, cowboy!! 🤠

Hey, women are always responsible for male aggression and violence, you know! And especially for calling it out.

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ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 19:22

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 19:17

Was this event today?

It was wet early this morning but sunny by this afternoon in Cardiff.

Yes.

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Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 19:17

Flopsythebunny · 21/04/2025 19:15

I hope it pissed it down all day today in Cardiff

Was this event today?

It was wet early this morning but sunny by this afternoon in Cardiff.

Flopsythebunny · 21/04/2025 19:15

I hope it pissed it down all day today in Cardiff

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/04/2025 19:14

thevassal · 21/04/2025 19:09

there's actually a comparatively high level of Welsh in Cardiff because so many jobs are based there that require (or at least prefer) Welsh - the senedd, the welsh govt, bbc wales, s4c, etc. There are some very welsh-y enclaves in Pontcanna, for example, many of whom work in welsh media. Approximately 1/6th of all schools in Cardiff are welsh language (at all levels).

In the last census Cardiff actually had the biggest increase in welsh speakers out of every local authority in the whole country.

Then there will of course be other people who aren't fluent but wouldn't be classed as 'non-welsh speakers' either.

Still a minority but not a 'vast' majority either.

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You're right. I've not lived in Cardiff for about 30 years and didn't realise how much Welsh language usage had increased there compared to Swansea in that time.

MarieDeGournay · 21/04/2025 19:11

LegoTherapy · 21/04/2025 16:55

Goodness, what inarticulate nonsense they spew.

Absolutely, and hopefully more and more people will see what goes on at trans demos.

'Operation let them chant'!

tillyandmilly · 21/04/2025 19:11

Please please do NOT. come to Brighton! I beg you!

myplace · 21/04/2025 19:10

I feel as though I’m getting echoes of a British comedy show. Possible Citizen Kane, or the Young Ones? Or possibly On the busses 🤣

Just random slogans all jumbled together regardless of meaning.
I mean the Judea People’s Front need a go, too.

thevassal · 21/04/2025 19:09

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 21/04/2025 17:52

The vast majority of people in Cardiff (and Swansea, where I am) can't speak Welsh. It's not just people who come in from outside Wales.

While we're taught it in school, most of us are no better at it than we are at French, we've forgotten it all by the time we're 20. You only really get high levels of Welsh spoken outside of the majority cities.

there's actually a comparatively high level of Welsh in Cardiff because so many jobs are based there that require (or at least prefer) Welsh - the senedd, the welsh govt, bbc wales, s4c, etc. There are some very welsh-y enclaves in Pontcanna, for example, many of whom work in welsh media. Approximately 1/6th of all schools in Cardiff are welsh language (at all levels).

In the last census Cardiff actually had the biggest increase in welsh speakers out of every local authority in the whole country.

Then there will of course be other people who aren't fluent but wouldn't be classed as 'non-welsh speakers' either.

Still a minority but not a 'vast' majority either.

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 19:06

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/04/2025 18:48

They must absolutely hate the Italian language then, as it’s the same, words are masculine or feminine.

The Italian for "a non-binary person" is "una persona non binaria".
'Persona' being grammatically feminine, and so also having the feminine form of the adjective, whatever the sex of the person in question.

And you have that reference in the Italian media to Eliot Sumner "l'attrice britannica non binaria".
'Actrice' being feminine and meaning 'actress' (the masculine equivalent is 'attore') and followed by the feminine forms of the adjectives meaning 'British' and 'non-binary'.

Laugh? I nearly drank my own pint!

Winterwonders24 · 21/04/2025 19:05

WaffleParty · 21/04/2025 16:49

So if you acknowledge that the majority on the rally do not support these messages what is your point in posting them all in full?

Trying to stir up hate?

You're saying @ArabellaScott is stirring up hate by reporting what a vocal minority are singing at a demo? You shoot that messenger, cowboy!! 🤠

GreenFriedTomato · 21/04/2025 18:57

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 16:44

I suspect they've missed off a wee comma, there and it should be 'bottoms, tops', referring to submissive and dominant participants in BDSM, respectively.

And gay men. Recipients vs givers (for want of a better word

Winterwonders24 · 21/04/2025 18:55

Hoppinggreen · 21/04/2025 15:45

What do they want to be liberated from exactly?

Reality?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 21/04/2025 18:48

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2025 18:00

They complained about Welsh being a grammatically gendered language.

It has two genders, masculine and feminine, like French - it has no neuter like German or Old English. So a chair is feminine and a table is masculine or feminine depending on the word used.

Apparently this is s crime against their rights.

They must absolutely hate the Italian language then, as it’s the same, words are masculine or feminine.

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