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Maggie Chapman MSP slanders Supreme Court

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Seriestwo · 21/04/2025 13:54

Maggie Chapman has publicly accused the Supreme Court of transphobia. Any lawyers know if this is contempt of court?
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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/04/2025 17:27

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

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Listening a second time. Chapman is talking about the Supreme Court and the Equality Act through the lens of institutional power structures, which can be a useful tool for understanding phenomena like no one in the Met doing anything about their misogynist officers until Wayne Couzins murdered Sarah Everard.

It's instructive that she attempts to apply that analysis to a piece of legislation intended to counter institutional power by explicitly granting rights (for example, to operate services and freely associate) to marginalised groups. The unspoken axiom underpinning her attack on the SC (and the whole apparatus of Parliament and Government, based on her clarification that she thinks that laws created in an unjust society are inherently unjust) is that the EA is unjust because it gives women, who are marginalised on the basis of sex, undeserved rights to single-sex spaces and services.

Which tells you that she's just another transmaiden misogynist, one who is willing to attack the very rule of law to throw women under the bus.

JoyousEagle · 22/04/2025 17:05

The thing is, I imagine she is someone who was angry when the daily mail ran that “enemies of the people” headline about the judges. She can’t have it both ways. It can’t be “don’t attack the judiciary” when it’s things you agree with, and “they’re hateful bigots” when you don’t. (I include the DM in that criticism as I bet they’ll be criticising Chapman for this despite their previous headline).

Obviously she’s entitled to work to change the law. That’s totally fine.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 22/04/2025 17:00

Igneococcus · 22/04/2025 16:20

Ha, whereas I grew up in a large talkative family and dp and the dc can also talk seemingly without ever taking breath, so I learned to say what I want to say with as few words as possible to get into the rare gaps.

[brief diversion from thread follows]

It's a wonderful gift to be pithy. My husband used to be a senior IT person. When something went wrong with the system either he or his colleague would have to email all staff to keep them updated. His colleague would send out an email something on these lines:

Dear Colleagues,
On behalf of everyone in the IT department I would like to apologise for the delays you have all been experiencing with your email this afternoon. This was due to [insert complicated technical explanation] which we have now managed to fix with the help of our suppliers. We are confident that everything is now back up and running, but as ever, please don't hesitate to get in touch if you need any further assistance.
Best wishes,
Lon Gwinded

My husband's email would read:

All - email is now back up and running as of 1600.
T. Erse

Same at home! It's great. I'm the waffler.

[diversion over]

TheOtherRaven · 22/04/2025 16:47

'I was sad and cross for men that it turns out women have rights, which is totes mean and inconvenient to men, so I got emotionally incontinent and unprofessional and said a lot of hyperbolic, unjustified crap that doesn't affect my duties as an MP cos reasons, and I'm not sorry. Vote for me.'

Good grief.

lifeinthelastlane · 22/04/2025 16:45

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:10

She’s just been speaking in the Scottish parliament session on the Supreme Court ruling this afternoon. Of course it was all about how worried and frightened trans people are today.
Some of the MSPs spoke pretty harsh words about her behaviour at the weekend

Is this available to watch/listen to anywhere? Thanks

TheOtherRaven · 22/04/2025 16:43

ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 15:54

I guess in the worst case scenario some trans people will feel they can't go out in public because they can't use public toilets. I'm struggling to muster up much sympathy since they gave not one shiny shit about the women who couldn't use public toilets because there were men in them

This.

It wasn't tragic for women. Learn to cope/reframe trauma/educate self/die mad etc was perfectly appropriate to tell them. Why is it tragic when it happens to men?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 22/04/2025 16:39

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

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That's worse! A rogue judge can in theory be impeached, restoring integrity to the court system. She's attacked the integrity of the Supreme Court itself.

FumingTRex · 22/04/2025 16:32

Oh dear, Maggie Personperson didn’t realise laws are made by politicians not judges. Every day is a learning day.

Igneococcus · 22/04/2025 16:20

INeedAPensieve · 22/04/2025 16:13

Ah @Igneococcus summarised that far more succinctly than me! Always giving too much detail, that's my weak point 😆

Ha, whereas I grew up in a large talkative family and dp and the dc can also talk seemingly without ever taking breath, so I learned to say what I want to say with as few words as possible to get into the rare gaps.

borntobequiet · 22/04/2025 16:16

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

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I don’t see how that’s better.

Juiceinacup · 22/04/2025 16:15

As I said on another thread, Scottish Greens has made it impossible to vote for them because of their focus on gender nonsense rather than actual environmental issues. Sad to say that Maggie Chapman is a big part of the problem and we didn’t even vote for her.

INeedAPensieve · 22/04/2025 16:13

Igneococcus · 22/04/2025 16:09

Chap=person and man=person, both non-gendered

Ah @Igneococcus summarised that far more succinctly than me! Always giving too much detail, that's my weak point 😆

HelenaWaiting · 22/04/2025 16:12

Ever the problem with the Greens is how amateur they are. I think this is worth remembering.

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INeedAPensieve · 22/04/2025 16:11

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:06

Why us she referred to as Maggie Personperson?

I'm glad you asked that @Conxis . It took me a while at first to get it 😂

Basically her second name is Chapman and she doesn't believe in words that correctly define our binary sex classifications. Therefore someone changed her last name to make it gender neutral to keep Maggie happy. I'm sure she appreciates the gesture 😁

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:10

Igneococcus · 22/04/2025 16:09

Chap=person and man=person, both non-gendered

Thank you 😂

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:10

She’s just been speaking in the Scottish parliament session on the Supreme Court ruling this afternoon. Of course it was all about how worried and frightened trans people are today.
Some of the MSPs spoke pretty harsh words about her behaviour at the weekend

Igneococcus · 22/04/2025 16:09

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:06

Why us she referred to as Maggie Personperson?

Chap=person and man=person, both non-gendered

Conxis · 22/04/2025 16:06

Why us she referred to as Maggie Personperson?

ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 16:04

As someone noted earlier Maggie PP is a list MSP which means no-one actually voted for her. I very much doubt she would be elected if she had to get votes for herself as her public speaking is so poor.

SnoozingFox · 22/04/2025 16:03

Forgettingblue · 21/04/2025 14:32

She's not one of politics big thinkers is she?

Pretty much par for the course when it comes to Scottish politics.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 16:01

ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 15:54

I guess in the worst case scenario some trans people will feel they can't go out in public because they can't use public toilets. I'm struggling to muster up much sympathy since they gave not one shiny shit about the women who couldn't use public toilets because there were men in them

If only they had spent the last 10 years campaigning for better toilet provision using arguments based in reality rather than fantasy.

RedToothBrush · 22/04/2025 15:57

Datun · 22/04/2025 15:35

She's also said that how awful it is that they didn't consult any trans people. She knows a transwoman who would've been really good.

Fortunately the interviewer put her right and said individual people weren't allowed to be consulted, and the trans community didn't come up with anyone else.

she seemed to think individual people could give evidence

To be this ignorant is rather odd, given her position and her opinion!

The number of politicians and lawyers who have shown in the last few days that they don't know how the law works is rather staggering.

ThatAgileCoralBird · 22/04/2025 15:55

If Maggie Chapman has broken the law then surely there needs to be an investigation by Holyrood being and MSP and by the university of Dundee as its newly elected rector to determine whether her actions and comments are ok.

Stella Maris the elected rector of St Andrews University was removed from her position recently for making inflammatory and antisemitic comments.