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Maggie Chapman MSP slanders Supreme Court

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Seriestwo · 21/04/2025 13:54

Maggie Chapman has publicly accused the Supreme Court of transphobia. Any lawyers know if this is contempt of court?
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ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 15:54

I guess in the worst case scenario some trans people will feel they can't go out in public because they can't use public toilets. I'm struggling to muster up much sympathy since they gave not one shiny shit about the women who couldn't use public toilets because there were men in them

PrettyDamnCosmic · 22/04/2025 15:53

ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 15:52

I always find Maggie PersonPerson a very poor public speaker. Badly prepared; nervous; and unsure of her facts - she's an embarrassment, but sadly indicative of the incredibly low abilities of many MSPs

There is a great video of her being skewered by Naomi Cunningham in some committee meeting if someone has a link.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 15:52

She suggests that anyone who accepts the ruling doesn’t believe that trans people should be able to go out in public. That is very obviously not the case. The only ‘change’ has been confirmation that the law cannot be incoherent.

She really isn’t a good supporter of trans people. They need supporters who can grapple with reality as it is.

ThatPithySheep · 22/04/2025 15:52

I always find Maggie PersonPerson a very poor public speaker. Badly prepared; nervous; and unsure of her facts - she's an embarrassment, but sadly indicative of the incredibly low abilities of many MSPs

Chersfrozenface · 22/04/2025 15:46

Tallisker · 22/04/2025 15:34

She’s got a very wobbly head. How odd! She’s quite hard to watch.

I tried to get AI to create a Bobble Head Maggie Personperson. This was the nearest I could get. (AI doesn't replicate text very well.)

Maggie Chapman MSP slanders Supreme Court
BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 22/04/2025 15:46

Well that was no apology. I doubt that will get personperson off the hook. The law is bigoted so we'll change the law.

Hoydenish · 22/04/2025 15:40

I note the stuttering and the uhmm and errrrr ing as she fumbles to not utter wrongspeak.

AcquadiP · 22/04/2025 15:36

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
Socrates

Datun · 22/04/2025 15:35

She's also said that how awful it is that they didn't consult any trans people. She knows a transwoman who would've been really good.

Fortunately the interviewer put her right and said individual people weren't allowed to be consulted, and the trans community didn't come up with anyone else.

she seemed to think individual people could give evidence

To be this ignorant is rather odd, given her position and her opinion!

lifeinthelastlane · 22/04/2025 15:34

That video clip is a massive climb down from MC. She must be a tad worried.

Tallisker · 22/04/2025 15:34

She’s got a very wobbly head. How odd! She’s quite hard to watch.

Womanofcustard · 22/04/2025 15:29

Note,Maggie Chapman was not elected as such. In Scotland, we have the ridiculous idea that parties get votes as well as individuals. Well-meaning people who voted Green because of concerns over climate, pollution etc., got Chapman. No one voted her in!

Chersfrozenface · 22/04/2025 15:19

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

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That's not going to wash. She said yesterday that she sees “bigotry, prejudice and hatred” coming from the UK Supreme Court.

Well, it's not coming from the walls or the desks or the chairs, so it has to be coming from the people who make up the SC, the judges.

Edit to add: in her opinion, obviously.

Merrymouse · 22/04/2025 15:17

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1914652812522164733

‘the institution’ isn’t better.

‘tbe institution’ is not separate from the judges.

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 15:13

She’s said she criticised the institution and not individual judges, and won’t be stepping down

x.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1914652812522164733

Chersfrozenface · 22/04/2025 15:11

Justgoingforaweeliedown · 22/04/2025 14:04

It's reported on the BBC that Roddy Dunlop has condemned the comments as well. Will be interesting to see how this plays out...

Hopefully the link works.

BBC News - Lawyers criticise MSP's attack on gender ruling
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25xzy4eggo

On the main page of the BBC News site currently.

What will the BBC Pride LGBTQ+++ staff network think? Or are they hoping the public will go "Oh, poor Maggie, nasty lawyers being mean to her!"

HelenaWaiting · 22/04/2025 14:24

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/04/2025 09:02

Maggie Chapman is an idiot and a dangerous ideologue but I don't think she has actually broken any rules here.

This aged well.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 22/04/2025 14:21

Didn’t Roddy Dunlop recently successfully defend Wings Over Scotland. He is very aware of these issues and the rhetoric used by some groups.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 22/04/2025 14:16

When an elected representative realises that being a politician is not the same as student politics

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2025 14:12

https://www.advocates.org.uk/news-and-responses/news/2025/apr/faculty-protests-msp-s-attack-on-the-judiciary

To:
Karen Adam MSP, Convenor of the Scottish Parliament's Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Maggie Chapman MSP, Deputy Convenor of the Scottish Parliament's Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Dear Ms Adam and Ms Chapman
I write on behalf of the Office Bearers of the Faculty of Advocates, all of whom have agreed to what follows. As you know, Faculty is the representative body of the Bar in Scotland. It does not get involved in politics. But for 500 years part of its role has been the protection and advancement of the Rule of Law. Fundamental thereto, and in line with both the Latimer Principles and the Goa Declaration on preserving and strengthening the independence of the Judiciary, is what Faculty considers to be its duty to speak out in defence of the judiciary when it comes under attack: especially given the constitutional restrictions which prevent the judiciary from defending itself publicly.
In light of the above, it was with considerable concern and dismay that we read reports of Ms Chapman MSP addressing a public gathering in the wake of the recent ruling in For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers. In video footage which is circulating widely online, she is seen to condemn what she claims is the “bigotry, prejudice and hatred that we see coming from the Supreme Court”.
These are appalling comments to come from any elected politician. They are all the worse when they come from someone who holds the post of Deputy Convenor of the Scottish Parliament's Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee.
It really should not require to be said, but the Supreme Court – indeed, all judges – are in post to apply the law. They do not take sides. They decide without fear or favour, consistently with the judicial oath. For Ms Chapman to claim that they were swayed by “bigotry, prejudice and hatred” is outrageous. We are talking about the apex court of these islands, in this instance made up of a bench which included two of Scotland’s finest legal minds, as well as two women. No sensible person could read their dispassionate analysis and conclude that they were swayed by such matters.
The atmosphere following the ruling in FWS is toxic. Not only do comments such as these – which as they stem from an elected politician and Deputy Convenor many will take seriously – fail to respect the Rule of Law; not only do they constitute an egregious breach of Ms Chapman’s duties to uphold the continued independence of the judiciary (s.1(1)(a) of the Judiciary and Courts (Scotland) Act 2008); but they go further than that, and create a risk of danger to the Members of the Court themselves. This behaviour is irresponsible and reprehensible.
Faculty has previously required to speak out in light of political attacks on the judiciary and legal profession. It did so when the Court of Appeal was, in light of its ruling in the Brexit case, described as “enemies of the people”. It did so when the previous UK Conservative government repeatedly attacked so-called “activist” lawyers. It did so very recently, in support of the American Bar Association in the wake of attacks on the judiciary in the US. We are absolutely certain that Ms Chapman agreed with Faculty’s stance on those occasions. This is no different. Indeed, in attributing such emotive descriptions as “bigotry, prejudice and hatred” to the judges of the Supreme Court, Ms Chapman’s attack is far worse.
In these circumstances, we respectfully request Ms Chapman to reflect on her words, and whether they allow her to properly discharge her responsibilities as Deputy Convenor in line with the impartiality requirements of the Guidance on Committees issued by the Scottish Parliament. As to the former, we suggest that a fulsome and swift apology is warranted. As to the latter, and notwithstanding that the requirements apply only whilst acting in the capacity of Convenor, we suggest that her comments are not compatible with her role as Deputy Convenor, or, arguably, her continued membership of the Committee. In line with our own role, however, we leave that matter to Ms Adam and her colleagues on the Committee. In addition to the suggested apology, and whatever action is taken by Ms Adam or her colleagues relative to Ms Chapman’s position on the Committee, we suggest that, in order to restore credibility in that Committee, Ms Adam should speak out publicly in defence of the Court and of the Rule of Law.
Faculty very much regrets having to write this letter. However, Ms Chapman’s words have left it with no choice. Her behaviour in this instance is utterly beyond the pale.
We look forward to your considered reply in early course.

Roddy Dunlop KC, Dean of the Faculty of Advocates

Faculty protests MSP’s attack on the Judiciary

https://www.advocates.org.uk/news-and-responses/news/2025/apr/faculty-protests-msp-s-attack-on-the-judiciary

INeedAPensieve · 22/04/2025 14:12

Maggie PersonPerson is completely off her head.

I can't believe a representative of our parliament would be like this. Well, I can now thanks to the legacy of Sturgeon but Donald Dewer would be spinning in his grave.

When will the adults actually come back to the Scottish government?

Justgoingforaweeliedown · 22/04/2025 14:04

It's reported on the BBC that Roddy Dunlop has condemned the comments as well. Will be interesting to see how this plays out...

Hopefully the link works.

BBC News - Lawyers criticise MSP's attack on gender ruling
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx25xzy4eggo

ItisntOver · 22/04/2025 13:54

Archive of Reindorf on misinterpretation of SC.

archive.ph/9pyRp

fanOfBen · 22/04/2025 13:37

StrongasSixpence · 22/04/2025 13:29

Eh 'fulsome' can also mean large, comprehensive or abundant. Not just insincere or OTT.

It's a very good letter. Especially as they call her out for being worse than Boris or the Daily Mail. 😆

(belatedly consults OED) ok, you and the Dean are right and I'm wrong. Thanks, I'm relieved if chastened ;-)

EweSurname · 22/04/2025 13:36

Ash Regan MSP
I’ve formally reported Maggie Chapman MSP to the Presiding Officer and Standards Committee following her dangerous dismissal of the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Equality Act as a ‘political attack’. MSPs have a duty to uphold the law, not undermine it. #ScotParl #WomensRights #RuleOfLaw #JudicialIndependence

x.com/AshReganMSP/status/1914649126865641960

Maggie Chapman MSP slanders Supreme Court