Open letter by UK writers in solidarity (not with us obviously)

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er, no

he’s a complete tit

Gave up on twitter a long time ago thankfully. Obviously missed out on some vile stuff.

Christ. I’m shocked. Why do so many people hate women so?

The other thing is that when you talk about a percentage increase in something, it's really important to know what the starting point was.

If one trans person is murdered each year on average, and then one year two trans people are murdered, you can say that the rate of trans murders has increased by 100%. But because your starting point was so low, it can be a 100% increase and still be a very small number.

Whereas if 100 women are murdered each year on average and then one year 120 women are murdered, the rate at which women are being murdered has increased by 20%. That sounds like a lot less than the 100% increase in trans murders, but it means a hell of a lot more women are suddenly being murdered.

I am inherently suspicious of any statistic presented as a X% increase in something, without giving an indication of total numbers. Because very often it means very small numbers, presented in a deliberately scaremongering way.

@Windscreenviper

Anyway, I read the letter, and there were a few links incorporated, with one being about 186% increase in violent crimes against trans people in the last five years. Being interested to discover what this meant, I followed the link and it took me a Stonewall page where there was no information at all about what this meant. It didn't define what it meant by violent crime, and it didn't give examples.

I think about these kinds of stats all the time, and agree completely. Until someone can drill down into what they actually mean, it's the same kind of thing as "trans people's average age of death is 30", ie. untrue and completely unhelpful. Is it physical assaults (terrible, should never happen)? Or is it the more nebulous "words are physical assault" type of violent crime, in which someone can be violently attacked by being misgendered? I sound like I'm making fun, but with crime reporting stats from the police being what they are, this is a very real query, one which never seems to be answered by the Guardian, Pink News, et al.

Which is weird given that the American left is more on a par with the UK Conservatives in most respects, not Labour.

Almost as if these people are completely clueless.

Oh my sweet summer child. Where have you been? Not on Twitter, I assume.

And none of the TRA/Transympathisers actually understand what bio-essentialism is.

Damn, I thought Billy Bragg was one of the good guys, so disappointed.

Sorry to be a pedant but the "author" of Rainbow Magic is Daisy Meadows which is a conglomerate. Holly Webb is the author of many many many animal books such as The Lost Kitten etc and I think she might be a real person

Actually, I’ve just about never heard of any of them!

"We’re completely erased from the conversation and when we are invited to talk, it’s always framed as a ‘debate’. But when you frame trans rights as a debate, you’re starting from an anti-trans point of view,” said Gabriel."

I don't understand this statement. I think it's begging the question.

Anyway, I read the letter, and there were a few links incorporated, with one being about 186% increase in violent crimes against trans people in the last five years. Being interested to discover what this meant, I followed the link and it took me a Stonewall page where there was no information at all about what this meant. It didn't define what it meant by violent crime, and it didn't give examples.

I don't like the thought that there is a huge increase in violent crime against anybody. I dislike the idea that people are suffering violent crimes because of the way they look or the way they think. But if a statement such as that is going to be released then there needs to be information and analysis to enable proper understanding. Rhetoric just doesn't cut it.

Unfortunately there are some notable names that have been prevented from publishing and blacklisted as having GC leanings.

I wonder how many of these people truly believe what they have signed, or are signing to protect themselves?

People are perfectly free to lobby Parliament for changes to the law. Trying to pressure judges to interpret the law the way you'd like it to be makes you look rather anti-democratic. Sadly this is how Americans do things nowadays and this lot absolutely worships any rubbish that comes out of the American left.

Add the population of men in to that as well, and those TRA numbers will be so small as to not register.

You’re thinking of Daisy Meadows. Holly Webb writes quite sweet books about animals - Chocolate Dog and the like. My DD loved them.

yes I suspect so in some circumstances. Perhaps went round blue sky?

My guess is someone in the first few names and perhaps has links to JM

James Oswald is a Scottish author and farmer, ffs. I've read some of his books. Iirc there is a tw (wise, saintly, living quietly, of course, gets on great with the grizzled, damaged detective lead) who's a minor character.

I suspect some of these folx might have been put on the spot and felt unable to say no.

Mostly no-marks. Quel surprise.

I still seem to be time looping 😆

Didn't Holly Webb do those books about a girl who goes to live with her uncle in a magic pet shop with talking animals? If so we never got to the end of the series because DD found them boring.

Apologies, my perimenopausal brain got Holly Webb muddled with Daisy Meadows. Holly Webb is indeed a person, so can take full responsibility for adding her name to the stupid letter 😄

a) Good Law Project have never actually won a case

b) Both Amnesty and the Scottish Government barristers spoke up for trans rights - but badly

c) Stonewall actively chose not to intervene

Let’s not forget that some people in these industries are actors and storytellers. They’re good at playing the part and spinning a tale. They’re immersed in a world of fantasy.