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WarriorN · 21/04/2025 22:46

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 21:10

Serafina, would you be amenable to making a thread to expand on this? I'd be really interested to hear.more, if you had the time and inclination.

Agree, this argument is clearly going to be used a lot. Good debate material would be highly appreciated!

anascrecca · 21/04/2025 22:43

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:21

Robin Ince

Robin Ince is a highly annoying person.

NameChangedOfc · 21/04/2025 22:08

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:14

I don’t really care about this random group’s opinion, but this is worrying: https://archive.ph/eoDSN

The younger generation has a different opinion…at leadt on the surface. When I read the article, it seems they have misunderstood a few things, and if this “constructive ambiguity” was exposed. They might feel differently, although some might find it too difficult to change their minds for tribal/social reasons.

This is far from over.

It is indeed worrying, thanks for sharing.

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 21:44

Talkinpeace · 21/04/2025 21:40

Where have you been for the last four years

Not on twitter obviously (thankfully)

Talkinpeace · 21/04/2025 21:40

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:09

Damn, I thought Billy Bragg was one of the good guys, so disappointed.

Where have you been for the last four years

Screamingabdabz · 21/04/2025 21:15

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:09

Damn, I thought Billy Bragg was one of the good guys, so disappointed.

Assume this is ironic as old Bragg-face has been spitting hate toward women for a few years now.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 21/04/2025 21:12

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 21:10

Serafina, would you be amenable to making a thread to expand on this? I'd be really interested to hear.more, if you had the time and inclination.

I’d be interested too!

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 21:10

SerafinasGoose · 21/04/2025 19:46

It's hilarious, because essentialism has nothing to bloody do with biology.

The idea that there is a core, or essence of humanity beyond our material bodies - 'I think, therefore I am', is at its root. And this idea of a core, unified, rational subject had started to break down by the mid-nineteenth century. Although this breakdown is often placed with the mid-20th-century existentialists it in fact started long before this and had certainly taken root strongly by the 1890s.

Essentialism is the gendered idea that women are nurturers, carers, support humans etc - gendered attributes arbitrarily attached to our sex and accepted as 'natural, common-sense' discourse. What it is not, is the biololgical fact that we have a vag and tits.

Are these people really as stupid and uninformed as they appear? (Disclaimer: that was a rhetorical question) 😖

Serafina, would you be amenable to making a thread to expand on this? I'd be really interested to hear.more, if you had the time and inclination.

Ohyoudodoyou · 21/04/2025 20:53

Lark1ane · 21/04/2025 20:09

Gary Neville and Roy Keane are not on there, so it can't be the Real Jamie, just someone who identifies as him.

The rest are all z listers with one or two exceptions of being professional luvvies.

Edited

George Best and Bobby Charlton are missing too. David BeckHIM may make an appearance 😉

Lark1ane · 21/04/2025 20:25

Phew. Robert Galbraith isn't on there.
I'd have been gutted.Wink
<Carries on reading Cormoran Strike>

StepawayfromtheLindors · 21/04/2025 20:23

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2025 19:55

Billy Bragg was so well-informed about this debate that he said something that revealed he thought puberty blockers were the same as beta blockers.

Oh classic 😂

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:17

lifeturnsonadime · 21/04/2025 20:14

He's not on that list though so is he reverse ferreting I wonder?

Either way I'll never forgive him. He knows what a woman is.

He wrote Sally Lockhart. Of course he knows what a woman is. Fucking wanker. Put him in the same pile as Margaret Atwood.

lifeturnsonadime · 21/04/2025 20:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:09

I feel the same way about Philip Pullman. Arsehole.

He's not on that list though so is he reverse ferreting I wonder?

Either way I'll never forgive him. He knows what a woman is.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 20:09

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:55

What a shame, he wrote some beautiful songs a few decades ago. Now he can’t think straight, sad.

I feel the same way about Philip Pullman. Arsehole.

Lark1ane · 21/04/2025 20:09

Ohyoudodoyou · 21/04/2025 12:45

Yes I saw that and can only conclude that here is an artsy fartsy Jamie Carragher out there as it ain’t him I’m pretty certain of that!

Gary Neville and Roy Keane are not on there, so it can't be the Real Jamie, just someone who identifies as him.

The rest are all z listers with one or two exceptions of being professional luvvies.

teawamutu · 21/04/2025 20:06

FigRollsAlly · 21/04/2025 19:47

Glad to see that none of my favourite writers are on there and the only name I recognise, apart from those already mentioned, is Elizabeth Day.

I read Friendaholic and came to the conclusion that I'd cross the road to avoid meeting her. Utterly unsurprised to see her on this bandwagon.

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 20:00

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 19:57

His best song was a Woody Guthrie cover.

I’m going to listen to all his earlier stuff and lament what he has become. I’m glad that I left twitter and missed his demise.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 19:57

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:55

What a shame, he wrote some beautiful songs a few decades ago. Now he can’t think straight, sad.

His best song was a Woody Guthrie cover.

PriOn1 · 21/04/2025 19:56

QuietlyLurkingintheCorner · 21/04/2025 17:03

Apologies, my perimenopausal brain got Holly Webb muddled with Daisy Meadows. Holly Webb is indeed a person, so can take full responsibility for adding her name to the stupid letter 😄

I can’t be bothered going back to check, but I think Daisy Meadows was on there too.

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 19:47

Well you certainly missed Billy Bragg spewing his particularly vomit-worthy brand of progressive misogyny on a daily basis for the last few years.

What a shame, he wrote some beautiful songs a few decades ago. Now he can’t think straight, sad.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2025 19:55

Billy Bragg was so well-informed about this debate that he said something that revealed he thought puberty blockers were the same as beta blockers.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/04/2025 19:47

Lambpieforme · 21/04/2025 19:37

Gave up on twitter a long time ago thankfully. Obviously missed out on some vile stuff.

Well you certainly missed Billy Bragg spewing his particularly vomit-worthy brand of progressive misogyny on a daily basis for the last few years.

FigRollsAlly · 21/04/2025 19:47

Glad to see that none of my favourite writers are on there and the only name I recognise, apart from those already mentioned, is Elizabeth Day.

SerafinasGoose · 21/04/2025 19:46

BridasShieldWall · 21/04/2025 13:00

They are relying on The Good Law Project for a legal opinion 😂

Spotted a couple of names I know - Russell T Davies, Sara Pascoe, Billy Bragg - no surprises there.

BTW I find the word ‘bioessentialism’ really annoying - it’s meant to sound divisive and right wing but believing in biological facts is logical.

It's hilarious, because essentialism has nothing to bloody do with biology.

The idea that there is a core, or essence of humanity beyond our material bodies - 'I think, therefore I am', is at its root. And this idea of a core, unified, rational subject had started to break down by the mid-nineteenth century. Although this breakdown is often placed with the mid-20th-century existentialists it in fact started long before this and had certainly taken root strongly by the 1890s.

Essentialism is the gendered idea that women are nurturers, carers, support humans etc - gendered attributes arbitrarily attached to our sex and accepted as 'natural, common-sense' discourse. What it is not, is the biololgical fact that we have a vag and tits.

Are these people really as stupid and uninformed as they appear? (Disclaimer: that was a rhetorical question) 😖

CherryBlossomPie · 21/04/2025 19:45

Forgettingblue · 21/04/2025 13:28

Really?

The UK Supreme Court ruling of 17th April 2025 was the result of a coordinated and privately funded attack on the human rights and dignity of trans and non-binary people in the UK

You think a letter that starts like this and continues in this vein, which says the court was on shaky legal ground, could be signed by someone who supports the ruling? You think this is not polarising language? Or extremist language?

The court action was not an attack on anyone but a defence of the existing legal protections women had under the Equality Act. I am tired of this whopper of a lie that it is trans rights that have been eroded, whereas in the past ten years it is women's existing legal rights that in practice, and in actual demonstrable reality have been eroded. This court case clarifies women' existing legal rights and reminded everyone of the rights trans people have AS trans people under the law.

So these writers are openly lying about what has actually happened.

What Equity and the Writers Guild should have done is write to assert to women and to trans people that they will uphold both groups clarified legal rights. Because that is how to signal you are not being polarising.

Edited

But it's just an opinion (if you agree with the part you have bolded).

I personally think its a matter of perspective. If you are trans then yes you might feel attacked. But yes it was a defence of course. Is it really an attack on their human rights. Debatable.

I would have preferred it was a letter to say both rights would be upholded too. But this is the arts. The space where its meant to be about inclusivity, where ideas are meant to be presented for debate and not forgone conclusion, where possibility is meant to exist.