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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Firenzeflower · 21/04/2025 12:33

Bunch of idiots.

I recognised two.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 12:33

Igneococcus · 21/04/2025 11:52

Oh dammit, not Alasdair Beckett King, didn't think he'd be a gullible idiot. He is only one of about five people I actually recognize.

I recognised a handful of names, but tbh not as many as one might have expected.

What are their criteria for 'writer', I wonder?

Justme56 · 21/04/2025 12:33

I always get confused about the term gender non conforming people - as stated in this. Surely gender non conforming is a man who likes to dress in what are typically female clothes but still calls himself a man. A man who calls himself a woman and does the same is conforming to gender. Struggle to get this straight in my head.

AmateurNoun · 21/04/2025 12:32

The list is a veritable who's who.

And by that I mean each name had me thinking "Who?" 🙃

Ohyoudodoyou · 21/04/2025 12:32

Loads of minor unimportant fringe people desperate to be seen as ‘kind’ - google some of the names, it’s all quite funny!

SerafinasGoose · 21/04/2025 12:28

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:14

I don’t really care about this random group’s opinion, but this is worrying: https://archive.ph/eoDSN

The younger generation has a different opinion…at leadt on the surface. When I read the article, it seems they have misunderstood a few things, and if this “constructive ambiguity” was exposed. They might feel differently, although some might find it too difficult to change their minds for tribal/social reasons.

This is far from over.

I read this article with some disbelief - not least in the state of our education system if this is what it's spitting out at the other end - together with the utter lack of nuance and dearth of criticality it now espouses.

It's painfully obvious that the woman emitting the usual bleat of 'but intersectionality' has no idea what it means. I'm guessing she couldn't name the person who coined that term at gunpoint, nor give any precis as to the actual context or discipline surrounding that argument. They use elaborate neologisms in an attempt to sound intelligent but the racial backdrop of that term, and its contribution to the fields of critical race and disability theory, is lost on them.

Intersectionality is an account of systemic oppression and modes of oppression originally linked with the female sex and race. It is not a methodology, which makes it unfathomable that it should be touted as a potential solution to these problems.

These people should properly inform themselves of the position they are blindly following. They might find that reality is quite different to the one they imagined. Then again, considering the fantasy model of supposed 'reality' adopted by so many apparently intelligent people (who I don't believe for one moment have really swallowed the crock of BS they are so fond of spouting), it's not particularly surprising.

These people also really need to read the Queer Theory they cite as the Bible of their ideological belief system. They are going to find that the likes of Foucault are not actually arguing what the unnuanced, 280-character tweets of the past decade claim they are arguing. It's also too late to heed his warning that when power operates on the basis of oppression alone, you cannot and will not keep people under control forever. Sooner or later they will revolt.

Read more books, kids.

Tallisker · 21/04/2025 12:28

Still on that train, Warrior? 🤣

lifeinthelastlane · 21/04/2025 12:27

What a long list of names.
I recognised about 3 of them.

VioletSpeedwell · 21/04/2025 12:27

We've got writers JKR and Glinner on our side. That's enough for me!

Sisuu · 21/04/2025 12:25

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:21

I think they do understand biological fact very well. They just want it to be irrelevant. For some privileged people maybe it can be. But in many crucial situations, it cannot be escaped.

Edited

Exactly. That’s why I said ‘Or even worse, the imbeciles who could, but chose not to’.

minsmum · 21/04/2025 12:24

I am disappointed by Mark Haddon signing that

Screamingabdabz · 21/04/2025 12:22

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:14

I don’t really care about this random group’s opinion, but this is worrying: https://archive.ph/eoDSN

The younger generation has a different opinion…at leadt on the surface. When I read the article, it seems they have misunderstood a few things, and if this “constructive ambiguity” was exposed. They might feel differently, although some might find it too difficult to change their minds for tribal/social reasons.

This is far from over.

The younger generation have not earned enough stripes to have a fully rounded opinion on this imo. Wait until ‘Melissa’ has a baby, and her daughter has to use toilets or be examined medically, or gets fitted for her first bra. Or maybe she has problems with labour or childbirth…And wait until Melissa experiences gynaecological or hormonal issues that only females experience or she herself experiences a lifetime of male entitlement and arrogance and dismissal. God forbid she ever experiences first hand male violence… I wonder if she’ll be so idealistic about it all then?

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:21

Robin Ince

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 12:21

Robin Ince

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:21

Sisuu · 21/04/2025 12:17

I haven’t read it. No interest except to say ‘How embarrassing’ for them. To demonstrate how particularly thick they are. Tragic.

I’d love to be a time traveller watching people discuss this peculiar episode in history. How they will laugh at the morons who couldn’t understand biological fact. Or even worse, the imbeciles who could, but chose not to.

I think they do understand biological fact very well. They just want it to be irrelevant. For some privileged people maybe it can be. But in many crucial situations, it cannot be escaped.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 12:19

' The signatories of this letter attest to the fact that writers with a bioessentialist view of womanhood and a binary view of sex and gender are in the minority.'

That's some assertion.

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 21/04/2025 12:19

They didn't even get the date of the judgement right!

All those women though, like turkeys voting for christmas.

Voice0fReason · 21/04/2025 12:17

I honestly don't think any of these people actually understand why the previous understanding and misuse of the law was a problem.
They don't seem to understand that not being able to define sex does cause serious problems for women.

Sisuu · 21/04/2025 12:17

I haven’t read it. No interest except to say ‘How embarrassing’ for them. To demonstrate how particularly thick they are. Tragic.

I’d love to be a time traveller watching people discuss this peculiar episode in history. How they will laugh at the morons who couldn’t understand biological fact. Or even worse, the imbeciles who could, but chose not to.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 21/04/2025 12:16

A sad day for UK literature.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/04/2025 12:15

I suspect there's a lot of self identified "writers" on there amidst some of the well know names. Of the "I read a sentence from a book aloud on tiktok" variety .

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:14

I don’t really care about this random group’s opinion, but this is worrying: https://archive.ph/eoDSN

The younger generation has a different opinion…at leadt on the surface. When I read the article, it seems they have misunderstood a few things, and if this “constructive ambiguity” was exposed. They might feel differently, although some might find it too difficult to change their minds for tribal/social reasons.

This is far from over.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 21/04/2025 12:14

oh Hayley from Corrie is in, that’s me won over then.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2025 12:12

Billy Bragg is identifying as a writer, now?

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/04/2025 12:10

Mostly random names. 🤷🏻‍♀️