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a list of men or companies who have stood up for us

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siucra · 20/04/2025 19:17

Like so many here, I have been disheartened by the lack of support from so many famous men, those I liked and or admired are now and will forever be in my blacklist. Same for companies.
This whole experience has been so hard and I thank all the incredible women who carried on and spoke for us...
However, who are the men who were on our side? Andrew Neil? Piers Morgan? There aren't many but would love to hear some names of those who put women first...

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SparklyPinkHairband · 21/04/2025 12:55

Hwi · 21/04/2025 10:17

I am sorry, I have not seen his guidance, I saw him being interviewed many times, guidance never mentioned. Struck me as massively supporting women against this madness.

Fair enough - have a look at his work before he became quite vocal in the media.

I'm just not convinced, sorry - but obviously others may see him differently.

SternJoyousBee · 21/04/2025 12:16

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/04/2025 11:49

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/
Just one case like this should be enough to convince anyone that women need single sex spaces surely?

This was the case that first really peaked me. The gaslighting was off the wall. Staff so indoctrinated by this harmful ideology that they denied the possibility that this poor woman could have been raped.

QueenProtea · 21/04/2025 12:08

Cannot believe that some people still think David Hayton is a friend to women.

He’s a self-absorbed, manipulative mysogynist.

Datun · 21/04/2025 12:05

Hwi · 21/04/2025 12:00

Absolutely! If anything, it is men who do that!!!! Had no idea.

Exactly.

watching Hayton mansplain why it's important for transwomen to show off their boobs in strappy dresses was highly enlightening

Hwi · 21/04/2025 12:00

Datun · 21/04/2025 11:25

I know! It was quite the eye opener.

Women defer to other women with big boobs.

It was almost laughable, especially when you consider that barely a day goes by on here without women moaning about boob size

Absolutely! If anything, it is men who do that!!!! Had no idea.

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 11:58

Hwi · 21/04/2025 10:17

I am sorry, I have not seen his guidance, I saw him being interviewed many times, guidance never mentioned. Struck me as massively supporting women against this madness.

I bought the copy of the TES where he wrote a full double page spread around 2018. I still have it.

at the time no one was saying anything so it felt that him saying a few sex realist things was ground breaking. But when you read it it’s clear how he lays down a sex realist argument to distract but goes on to describe how to fully affirm children within schools.

deception at it’s highest level.

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 11:53

Winterwonders24 · 20/04/2025 21:30

Steven Fry has also blotted hus copy book on this issue

He did a quiet reverse ferret recently I think

WarriorN · 21/04/2025 11:53

Winterwonders24 · 20/04/2025 21:30

Steven Fry has also blotted hus copy book on this issue

He did a quiet reverse ferret recently I think

YourAmplePlumPoster · 21/04/2025 11:49

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/
Just one case like this should be enough to convince anyone that women need single sex spaces surely?

TonTonMacoute · 21/04/2025 11:34

I have always been impressed by Debbie Hayton's articles, and he accepts that he can never be a woman. He has always seemed to me to be a supporter. But obviously others know more than me about the issues with transgenderism in schools. Janice Turner, who has always been quite open in her support met him and was quite positive.

In a way I think it strengthens the case by hearing trans women admit that there's a strong element of sexual fetish involved.

TheAutumnCrow · 21/04/2025 11:34

Liberal Voice for Women (LVW) is the Lib Dem GC group fighting back against the ideological madness consuming the main party.

There are men who support LVW, and I thank them.

They also have been targeted by many other Lib Dem members, some of whom have characterised LVW as ‘lice’ who require eradication. The Lib Dem complaints process about this has proved useless.

The Lib Dem Party is NOT a tame alternative to the Tories or Labour.

Mwnci123 · 21/04/2025 11:32

Nick Cohen

Datun · 21/04/2025 11:25

Hwi · 21/04/2025 10:49

Breasts and cachet???? Speechless.

I know! It was quite the eye opener.

Women defer to other women with big boobs.

It was almost laughable, especially when you consider that barely a day goes by on here without women moaning about boob size

TonTonMacoute · 21/04/2025 11:23

I was calm and logical and trying to channel my inner Helen Joyce but the wife was screaming at my saying she'd never heard such 'extreme' views ( my view being that trans women aren't the same as biological women).

Its extraordinary how easily this lobby have convinced so many people that mutilating young people, giving them life changing drugs that could render them infertile, young people who are experiencing serious mental problems, that this is the kind thing to do, and that thinking this is a bad idea is 'extreme'.

I think that most supporters take a conservative (small c) view on this matter, or is it just common sense? Luckily we have these people on all sides of the political divide.

I am pleased to say that I don't know anyone who is a serious trans supporter. They will support people who want to transition and just get on with their lives, but they don't believe you can change sex and they want to be able to say they don't want drag queens in the local primary school.

HairyTerrantula · 21/04/2025 10:56

Paul Peace @ NoCisgender

ScribblingPixie · 21/04/2025 10:52

Matthew Ancona

Hwi · 21/04/2025 10:49

Datun · 21/04/2025 10:25

No he doesn't. What he is is very clever, though.

He's a self-confessed AGP. So freely admits that he has a fetish, but still uses women's toilets.

I know that some people find virtue in the honesty, at least, but when you know that this fetish is fuelled by the public's participation, it's a bit rich for Hayton to pretend that his behaviour is motivated by, er, women's rights.

he's a member of Mumsnet, and there's a thread somewhere, where it becomes quite clear, after a bit of digging by women, that he believes women self form a hierarchy around the size of each other's breasts.

The bigger the breast, the more cachet the woman has amongst her peers. Apparently.

It would appear that a lot of these men's ideas about women are a result of rather too much porn consumption, rather than concern with their rights.

Breasts and cachet???? Speechless.

forgotmyusername1 · 21/04/2025 10:48

Hi tweet was wonderful

a list of men or companies who have stood up for us
Greyskybluesky · 21/04/2025 10:47

moggerhanger · 21/04/2025 08:20

Has anyone mentioned Grayson Perry? Not so much for active support, but for being open and honest about why he cross-dresses (and thus shining a light on something TRAs would prefer to not be illuminated).

No chance. He involves women in his fetish without their knowledge. Horrible.

He's the kind of cross-dresser the BBC loves because he presents as an "eccentric" and apparently the Brits all love an eccentric.

Well, not this one.

Datun · 21/04/2025 10:27

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2025 10:21

It's this that always shocks me -

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/03/grayson-perry-when-crossdressing-crosses-the-line/amp/

The photo referred to in the article was taken at a charity event raising money for children with cancer.

It just beggars belief.

Yes it's amazing how being honest somehow results in the sanitisation of a damaging fetish!

Datun · 21/04/2025 10:25

Hwi · 21/04/2025 10:17

I am sorry, I have not seen his guidance, I saw him being interviewed many times, guidance never mentioned. Struck me as massively supporting women against this madness.

No he doesn't. What he is is very clever, though.

He's a self-confessed AGP. So freely admits that he has a fetish, but still uses women's toilets.

I know that some people find virtue in the honesty, at least, but when you know that this fetish is fuelled by the public's participation, it's a bit rich for Hayton to pretend that his behaviour is motivated by, er, women's rights.

he's a member of Mumsnet, and there's a thread somewhere, where it becomes quite clear, after a bit of digging by women, that he believes women self form a hierarchy around the size of each other's breasts.

The bigger the breast, the more cachet the woman has amongst her peers. Apparently.

It would appear that a lot of these men's ideas about women are a result of rather too much porn consumption, rather than concern with their rights.

user1471471849 · 21/04/2025 10:23

Snapncrackle · 21/04/2025 10:11

I would like to add my husband 😂

stuck up for me when being shouted at by several friends / family members when I said trans women aren’t women and I said I was GC and he didn’t speak to his sister for months because of what she said to me

I was actually told by one of them “I bet you go on mumsnet and read that crap” 😂

he actually wasn’t aware of the whole twaw stuff but just applied common sense that no one can change sex and men shouldn’t be in women’s spaces

Mine too. Got into an argument with some neighbours about it ( they brought it up!) and I was calm and logical and trying to channel my inner Helen Joyce but the wife was screaming at my saying she'd never heard such 'extreme' views ( my view being that trans women aren't the same as biological women). My husband backed me up and funnily enough she didn't screech at him but listened respectfully. I was so annoyed, a woman treating another woman like that and acting completely differently with the man.

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2025 10:21

moggerhanger · 21/04/2025 08:20

Has anyone mentioned Grayson Perry? Not so much for active support, but for being open and honest about why he cross-dresses (and thus shining a light on something TRAs would prefer to not be illuminated).

It's this that always shocks me -

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/03/grayson-perry-when-crossdressing-crosses-the-line/amp/

The photo referred to in the article was taken at a charity event raising money for children with cancer.

It just beggars belief.

Grayson Perry: when crossdressing crosses the line

How did the cross-dressing artist get away with flashing a prosthetic penis at a children’s charity fundraiser?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/03/grayson-perry-when-crossdressing-crosses-the-line/amp/

Ilovetowander · 21/04/2025 10:21

I admit to not having read through the whole thread but just wanted to say - my husband and all the other husbands/partners/boyfriends who have stood up locally whilst not famous they also have an impact (although more limited.) There are many more who I think will be more willing to call this issue our from now on.

NoFineBalance · 21/04/2025 10:18

Waitwhat23 · 21/04/2025 10:05

The whole gender ideology thing has just given 'lefty' men who hate women and don't see them as worthwhile humans (other than to fuck or provide them with a service) a good vehicle to express that hate. The kind of men who see women as handy for going round putting leaflets in letter boxes to support male politicians or making the sandwiches for the men. There was a brief period in time where being seen as an open misogynist wasn't really fashionable but they remained misogynists.

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The same lefty men who told women they supported their progress, but needed to wait until XYZ issues were dealt with first. The same men who dangled carrots like codifying/protecting abortion rights in women's faces for 50 years, but actually did nothing about it - why would they, it's hooked women in for successive elections - until it was too bloody late to do anything.

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