Anyone else also tired of the protests trying to focus only on toilets?

When you have a period; when you are flooding during peri- menopause, when you become a little incontinent after menopause, if you have cystitis, if you have a weak bladder, if you've had recent surgery, if you have small children with you........

It is not " Weird" at all....toilets are required on a daily basis because of biological function or mallfunction.

I agree, for me the importance of this ruling is about acknowledging reality and about using language in a reasonable way. No more "no debate", no more reality denying. Is this a single sex space or not, no more gaslighting.

And which impacts all female people.

I disagree. Toilets are at the forefront... because we all need to use them, and because women also use toilets for other reasons than to "go to the toilet".

We also need to be sure our daughters and grandaughter are able to enter into women's toilets on their own and know they will be safe from predatory males.

Toilets are the thin end of the wedge...and should not be trivialised.

If toilets are no big issue, then why do so many men want to use women's?

I don't think the toilet issue is a trivial one. Single sex toilets need to be single sex for many good reasons. The numbers of women and girls affected by having men potentially in toilets and changing rooms is far greater than those who might be in prison or requiring a refuge.

I note the BBC report this morning, into yesterday's protest is still misrepresenting the ruling......it is still suggesting that single sex only applies in situations which are " proportionate to a legitmate aim". That's not the case it it.

Single 'sex' refers to biology, and even with a GRC a man may not enter in to a space which has been designated for women and girls.

I also think toilets are important, in some respects the most important. PP have said it, but that they are possibly the only universally used, frequently used single sex spaces. They are therefore the only spaces that put the issue centre stage and make people think about. It is easier to sideline the issue when it is about prisons, hospital wards etc.

Toilets are also important in their own right. Rooms with cubicles are cheaper, safer and cleaner, than individual rooms. They provide women with a safe and private space in day-to-day life to deal with women's bodies and needs, both the intimate bit (actually using the loo, which is shielded with room dividers - unless of course the lock doesn't work, you are wedging the door open with a pram etc) and the parts around it (adjusting clothes, washing bloody hands, asking for loo roll to be passed under the divider, helping a drunken friend away from men etc).

I had the very unusual experience of having someone change their position on this in response to something I posted - on TikTok, of all places.

She said that she didn't understand all the fuss over toilets; she was straight in and out and didn't care who else was in there. I responded with this: "I felt the same until my niece started refusing to use school toilets where boys could terrorise girls because of this madness. It's not just about us." Well bugger me she came back with a response saying "omg I hadn't even thought about schools, thanks for reminding me that all this has a different effect on kids".

So it is worth chipping away, there are plenty of people who just haven't spent the same amount of time considering this the way we have, but who are perfectly decent people, open to sensible point and persuasion

You cannot be a woman in the loo but a man when ur comes to a changing room or hospital ward. You are either a woman or you are not. And transwomen are absolutely not women

They cannot argue using rape crisis centres, prisons etc so they stick to toilets, are we going to police them and genital inspections 🙄

I'm glad you held back from validating his nonsense, wonder if he'll revert back now the truth (sex) has been confirmed as the legal standpoint.
He was simply a controlling man, getting away with lying in front of a group of people, what a kick for him!

Toilets are what peaked me. I'm a member of a loose group of people who gather in a pub in a small corner of the City. The only thing that we have in common is that we work in the same industry. And then there was lockdown.,..

As we krept back to our offices the group reformed. Not exactly the same but similar. The one significant difference was John. John was my special mate. He had the same role as me in a similar sized underwriter. We dealt with the same people and I loved his dry, comical analysis of them.

John was now Johanna. OK. Johanna had abandoned their illuminating sarcasm in favour of how liberating they found feminine undergarments and how I would benefit from using more figure enhancing underwear.

I kinda thought that they were in the first throws of their new identity and would learn to modify their conversation subjects but then I needed to go for a wee...

Johanna stood up at the same time that I did and said that we should go together. They wittered on about girls going to the loo together as we walked.

And then, at that very moment, I peaked. "Johanna" wasn't going to the loo with a friend, "Johanna" was stealing my dignity for her validation.

I didn't go into the loo with him and we have never spoken again.

Not really. Toilets are important. Some women cannot use a gender neutral/unisex toilet for reasons of faith, trauma etc. Not being able to use public toilets means women cannot be in the public space. We must partially disrobe to pee, where men can go behind a tree. Lack of safe, clean, single sex toilets disenfranchises us. It's not trivial - but the trans lobby have constantly suggested it is trivial and on the back of this triviality also invaded our other sex segregated spaces.

Well, I care about toilets. In terms of frequency, women are more often in public toilets than in prison, hospital etc. Any attempt to minimize toilets is a sneaky attempt to desensitize women to transwomen in women's spaces. Don't be sucked in. I also suspect this is an underhanded way to prepare women for a "compromise": transwomen will give up prison if they can keep toilets. For the privacy, dignity and safety of women it is really important to hold the line.

Also, how many protests focus only on toilets? Usually there are a range of issues.

They've certainly made their intention clear: they intend to continue using women's facilities as they've done until this point with impunity. The problem we now face is that it's not illegal for them to do this.

The sexes stayed segregated in the past as part of a socially-accepted contract. This has now been violated to the extent that it's become very difficult to roll it back, particularly given the doors can now be labelled unisex and there is no obligation on employers, institutions and organisations to provide single sex facilities.

The government would have to legislate to make using facilities intended for the opposite sex a criminal offence. I'm not holding my breath.

I don’t care about toilets much either but I’m in my 50’s

Teen DD would feel differently in certain situations especially at school and in certain public situations and depending on the time of day too and how busy etc

Yes. There’s also an ongoing campaign to have sanitary bins in their loos to dispose of used pads and other incontinence products.

ETA: crossed. My aunt’s DP is keen on this.

Yes and there a great campaign to try and get sanitary bins in men’s toilets. The bins need to be different design than ladies ones in my opinion.

Honestly I think they're all important. Trying to minimise the importance of women's toilets ignores why feminists fought so hard for them in the first place.

I was sexually harassed in a new mixed sex toilet at my uni which was trying to be progressive (decades ago before the trans thing). It became a de facto male space because it wasn't safe for women to use. Most of us used to go to other buildings to use the female only loos but a female student was raped in them before they were shut down and then reassigned as single sex again.

I occasionally work somewhere with mixed sex individual cubicles and I still really hate it. Not just the underlying sense of unease but just the complete state toilets are left in that make them unusable for women to actually sit to use them.

Just wait til you get a bit older!

How many times does the average person need the loo in public? It’s a weird thing to obsessed about, perhaps they all have bladder issues.

Toilets are important, especially where children can be taken in with us , and a trans man decides to use the ladies … any space like this is somewhere that a biologically born woman or children use in important because these spaces can be exploited just like the Scottish “woman “ did and raped a female prisoner … so it is actually an issue.

I'm aghast at the number of posters on here and on AIBU (only a small proportion I know) who cheerfully admit to objecting to the clarification by the SC that lesbians and gay men are entitled to same sex relationships and association.
They're so utterly ignorant and uncaring about the details of the judgement and unable to see their open homophobia / lesbophobia! All the time while lecturing women with their tone deaf ignorant superiority about how the SC are biased. 🙄

This.

Actually, it really does matter to a lot of women. Myself included.