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Memories of the last few years of madness

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SuperSleepyBaby · 20/04/2025 13:12

There have been so many issues over the last few years with trans rights clashing with women’s rights… its been fascinating, in a bad way.

some that come to mind:

A man photographed breastfeeding a newborn in a bus - and being used by the BBC to represent mothers for a story

A man running a rape crisis centre while saying he’s a women and telling women users of the service to ‘reframe their trauma’

a man saying he’s a women and being appointed to head a charity for endometriosis.

Male police officers who say they are women being allowed to strip search women.

What else…

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Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 22:17

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 22:11

I wonder what happened to Venice Allan, Helen Steel (of McLibel fame), and Lisa Muggeridge? They were so key to waking me up back in 2018.

Obvs, don't actually tell me because they might be staying quiet for their safety. But they went quiet and I hope they are all OK.

https://x.com/roseveniceallan?t=vC2wipX9T1ESjmnXgMztEA&s=09

Venice Allan is still active and on Twitter

https://x.com/roseveniceallan?s=09&t=vC2wipX9T1ESjmnXgMztEA

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 22:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 21:38

It was Venice Allan’s “We Need to Talk”, it was held at the HoP in the end thanks to the intervention of MP David TC Davies. He was later investigated after TRA complaints by Parliamentary Standards or similar but I think they found no case to answer.

Mumsnet was dubbed “More Balls Than Millwall” after that because they were prepared to face down TRAs, unlike the football club with a reputation for being tough.

I wonder what happened to Venice Allan, Helen Steel (of McLibel fame), and Lisa Muggeridge? They were so key to waking me up back in 2018.

Obvs, don't actually tell me because they might be staying quiet for their safety. But they went quiet and I hope they are all OK.

TheLongRider · 21/04/2025 22:05

CriticalCondition · 21/04/2025 19:59

Ooh thank you! I remember reading at the time and thinking it was an excellent description of the utter madness and disregard for women. I wonder if she's done an updated version. I know we're not out of the woods yet but it feels as if some sanity is returning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 21:42

And talking of Houses of Parliament events, there was the breathtakingly ironic, clanging and tone deaf launch of the Kinder, Gentler Politics report there featuring as panel member none other than Lily Madigan, who was not happy to see our group, to put it mildly!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2025 21:38

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 20:03

When Millwall cancelled a ‘Let Women Speak’ event (or maybe Women’s Place) because of security issues.

It was Venice Allan’s “We Need to Talk”, it was held at the HoP in the end thanks to the intervention of MP David TC Davies. He was later investigated after TRA complaints by Parliamentary Standards or similar but I think they found no case to answer.

Mumsnet was dubbed “More Balls Than Millwall” after that because they were prepared to face down TRAs, unlike the football club with a reputation for being tough.

AllIwantedwasanMOT · 21/04/2025 21:16

Thank you everyone for this. I have just emailed Milli Hill to express my support to her. I read her book when I was pregnant and found it really good, and had no idea how she'd been treated for her GC views.

SidewaysOtter · 21/04/2025 21:02

FlowerUser · 21/04/2025 18:21

Talking of dogs, Stonewall’s head of inclusion at the Allison Bailey tribunal who could only give evidence with his mum and emotional support dog in attendance.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 20:35

Namechangechanged · 21/04/2025 11:20

All the authors who write books for children with titles like:

My Dad is my Mum
Mummy, what’s my gender?
The Usborne lift-the-flap guide to Pride!
Topsy and Tim visit the library for the Drag Queen show

Or anime-style didactics aimed at YA about

Chloe looked in horror in the mirror at her growing breasts. She googled puberty blockers and howled in rage at her Mum saying no! If only she’d been allowed to become the boy she knew she really was [subtext: parents who parent are the enemy]

So many of them everywhere once you start looking 🤮

Chloe looked in horror in the mirror at her growing breasts.

In fairness, I feel like that about my tits and I'm 40 plus spare change. Hating these fatty lumps that turn up unbidden and are catnip to pervy men is probably the standard autistic female experience.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 21/04/2025 20:32

IButtleSir · 21/04/2025 06:40

Also, David Lammy claiming he couldn't possibly be sexist because he's black.

Obviously he's never heard of Black Patriarchy.

HesSoBadHesGood · 21/04/2025 20:18

in a happier memory, the Miller vs College of Policing court case was good. And live-streamed as I remember from the Court of Appeal?

That is indeed a happy memory. But instructive to a cynic like me. The College of Policing was told to scrap NCHI. Did they? Did they heck. Still going on despite Harry's expensive win. Is that what is going to happen with the recent SC clarification?

The NHS, Police, Government-- have they said ANYTHING about complying with SC finding? Or have they doubled down by sending out notices to staff reinforcing their support for their T staff?

"Move along, nothing to see here..."

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 20:04

‘Karen White’. He should have peaked the nation and was way earlier than Isla Bryson.

ValerieDoonican · 21/04/2025 20:03

Appalonia · 20/04/2025 18:22

I don't think I can bear to revisit them right now tbh. It still feels too raw, all the gaslighting and lack of regard for women and girls. At times, reading about it all over the years made me utterly depressed, hopeless and angry. The reaction to the utterly sane and sensible judgement by the SC from much of the media and the TRAs indicates that there's going to be a massive pushback ( a bit like when a woman is leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time ), so although I was elated and crying with joy and relief on Weds, I feel a bit more despondent now.

But, that's just me. I want a bloody reckoning from all those pp and institutions that didn't listen to our genuine concerns and spouted utter nonsense for YEARS. I want an apology and I want change. We came SO CLOSE to losing our rights as women, I find it chilling and it's not over yet.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, enjoy the ridiculousness of it all, I'm just not quite there yet...x

I'm afraid I feel the same. Seen too many posts on social media frothing with generalised outrage, yet not specifying exactly what is so awful because they haven't actually read and understood the judgement and are just assuming it's tantamount to sentencing trans people to some dreadful unjust fate obviously everyone agrees "it's awful" so no need to explain

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 20:03

When Millwall cancelled a ‘Let Women Speak’ event (or maybe Women’s Place) because of security issues.

CriticalCondition · 21/04/2025 19:59

TheLongRider · 21/04/2025 12:40

On the good side, there are some great articles that exposed the madness. "Pronouns are Rohypnol" by Barra Kerr from 2019 on the Fair Play for Women website. Also one that I can't find that memorably described the struggle against "Be kind" and the "What is a woman" shite with the exhortation to "Pullllll!" the meanings of words to their rightful place as evidenced in the SC judgment. If anyone can find the second article I'd be grateful.

This one?

https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

owl

The Annals of the TERF-Wars

So, yesterday this turned up in my feed, which struck me as something of an, um, mispresentation… and somehow, I ended up writing my own version of how this whole thing went down… &nbsp…

https://janeclarejones.com/2018/11/13/the-annals-of-the-terf-wars/

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 19:52

dapsnotplimsolls · 20/04/2025 18:28

Dawn Butler threatening us with the Rozzers.

Was it Dawn Butler who posted a Twitter poll along the lines of ‘who would you trust most’ and got convincingly trounced? It was one of the female Labour MPs but I can’t remember if it was definitely her.

And I think she also said babies are born without a sex, and 90% of giraffes are gay.

in a happier memory, the Miller vs College of Policing court case was good. And live-streamed as I remember from the Court of Appeal?

lcakethereforeIam · 21/04/2025 19:49

ArchibaldBoyd · 21/04/2025 19:25

Asda and their "love has no age" oops we didn't read the detail campaign.

You've reminded me, I saw an ad with that slogan on the side bar of MN just yesterday. I stared at it in disbelief for a moment and it refreshed onto something else before I could record it. A picture of a dark-haired girl or young woman in red with that slogan. No idea who or what it was advertising. I've been looking at site stuff but no reports and I've not seen it again. Possibly a zombie ad. from a tin-earred campaign? Anyway, apologies, enough of the derail.

ArchibaldBoyd · 21/04/2025 19:25

Asda and their "love has no age" oops we didn't read the detail campaign.

SameyMcNameChange · 21/04/2025 19:16

Have we had ‘Veronica Ivy’ (or whichever name she used at the time) telling a presenter, I think on the today programme, that she wasn’t ’born a man’ because men were adults and clearly therefore she could not have been born a man?

Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 19:13

SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:03

The archives of this topic in mumsnet must have a lot more recorded

And if the mumsnet servers ever go up in a puff of smoke I'm sure Aston University scraped a decent amount in order for the PhD student to do her PhD in the alleged terrible transphobia in Mumsnet!

Another low point - this one generated Tshirts!!

( https://grimut-gerbils.teemill.com/ )

Memories of the last few years of madness
SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:03

The archives of this topic in mumsnet must have a lot more recorded

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SuperSleepyBaby · 21/04/2025 19:01

Guidance for schools etc not not to address children as ‘boys and girls’

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TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 21/04/2025 18:47

The Scottish Government appointing a man (Jason Grant) as their first Period Dignity Officer.

That was a really low point for me.

Boiledbeetle · 21/04/2025 18:41

GreenFriedTomato · 21/04/2025 18:32

@Boiledbeetle I'd never heard of that but it's fucking brilliant! How many wouldn't have realised it was a merkin 😂

There were a lot of people, mainly men, that assumed she had in fact flashed her actual minge!!

GreenFriedTomato · 21/04/2025 18:32

@Boiledbeetle I'd never heard of that but it's fucking brilliant! How many wouldn't have realised it was a merkin 😂

FlowerUser · 21/04/2025 18:21

Lizzie Potts accused of misgendering a dog.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-curious-incident-of-the-dog-and-the-tribunal/

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