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David Lloyd

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AprilMadness · 20/04/2025 13:02

I don't want to spam Emma's David Lloyd thread so have continued on here.

I know it's Easter weekend so don't expect a reply anytime soon. But have sent the following email to [email protected].

As a long-term member of David Lloyd, I am writing to request clarification regarding your current policy on access to changing rooms and other single-sex facilities.

Your current policy states that members are permitted to use changing rooms aligned with their “gendered appearance,” thereby allowing biological men to access women’s changing rooms.

In light of the recent ruling by the United Kingdom Supreme Court, which confirmed that the protected characteristic of sex under the Equality Act refers to biological sex, I would like to understand how your policy aligns with this legal standard.

Please confirm your position on this matter, including how the policy is applied across your facilities and how compliance with current equality legislation is ensured.

I look forward to a timely response.

I'm really looking forward to their reply!

I wish there was a Ballantine's near me!

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Spidey66 · 03/05/2025 19:07

AprilMadness · 03/05/2025 18:48

On searching online for any updates I've just noticed that they don't even know the protected characteristics!

setacademy.davidlloyd.co.uk/catalog?pagename=equality-and-diversity-policy

Since when did social status replace pregnancy/maternity? Thats one major cock up!

my gym/swimming pool has a ‘changing village’. I hate it but can’t really change. It’s a small town, the only swimming pool in town, and I don’t drive.

AprilMadness · 03/05/2025 18:48

On searching online for any updates I've just noticed that they don't even know the protected characteristics!

setacademy.davidlloyd.co.uk/catalog?pagename=equality-and-diversity-policy

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AprilMadness · 03/05/2025 18:40

Well out of the 6 DL's I emailed I only got one reply. Sounds promising though!

Thank you for reaching out.
Following the recent ruling, the company board will be reviewing policies this week and making changes as necessary. Any changes will be reflected in the companies policy soon.

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thevassal · 21/04/2025 01:25

fabricstash · 20/04/2025 22:58

I am a member of Pure gym and they always have notices about men /women bio sex. I presume seeing as they can be unmanned at times they were pretty strict. There are codes to get to changing rooms etc

in my one the doors to the changing rooms are never locked, rendering the codes pointless!

AprilMadness · 21/04/2025 01:08

I would remove the "hope this message finds you well" that's a standard AI response.

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fabricstash · 20/04/2025 22:58

I am a member of Pure gym and they always have notices about men /women bio sex. I presume seeing as they can be unmanned at times they were pretty strict. There are codes to get to changing rooms etc

CocklesandMussels · 20/04/2025 22:12

@TangenitalContrivance thank you, that is a top letter.

TangenitalContrivance · 20/04/2025 19:27

CocklesandMussels · 20/04/2025 19:13

I emailed Nuffield gym about this too (before the SC judgement), because there was a man (wearing women’s gym gear) in the women’s changing rooms at my local branch when I was taking my children swimming. They also directed me back to my own branch, who ignored my question. I emailed again directly asking the question “are your women’s changing rooms reserved for women on the basis of sex, or do you allow trans women to use them?” They just ignored my email. I will contact them again.

Subject: Request for Clarification on Changing Room Policy Following UK Supreme Court Judgement

Dear Nuffield Health,

I hope this message finds you well.

I’m writing as a long-standing member of your gyms and a parent, seeking clarification regarding your current changing room policy in light of the recent Supreme Court judgement in For Women Scotland Ltd v The Lord Advocate [2024] UKSC 42.

As you may be aware, the ruling reaffirmed that in UK law, the protected characteristic of “sex” under the Equality Act refers to biological sex — meaning that “woman” legally means biological female. This has important implications for the provision of single-sex services and spaces, such as changing rooms.

Having reviewed your Terms of Centre Use, I could not find a clear explanation of how you currently accommodate transgender individuals in changing facilities. I would like to understand how Nuffield Health plans to align its policy with the Supreme Court’s clarification, particularly regarding safeguarding, privacy, and dignity for female members, including children and young people.

Could you please confirm:

  1. Whether you intend to revise your policy in response to the judgement?
  2. If so, what those changes might involve and how they will be communicated to members?
  3. How you plan to ensure that both biological women and transgender individuals are respected and provided for appropriately under your duty of care?

I appreciate this is a sensitive and complex area, but I believe clarity and open communication are vital. I look forward to your response.

Kind regards,
CocklesandMussels

Terms of Centre Use | Nuffield Health

https://www.nuffieldhealth.com/terms/nuffield-health-website-terms-and-conditions/terms-of-centre-use

CocklesandMussels · 20/04/2025 19:13

I emailed Nuffield gym about this too (before the SC judgement), because there was a man (wearing women’s gym gear) in the women’s changing rooms at my local branch when I was taking my children swimming. They also directed me back to my own branch, who ignored my question. I emailed again directly asking the question “are your women’s changing rooms reserved for women on the basis of sex, or do you allow trans women to use them?” They just ignored my email. I will contact them again.

AprilMadness · 20/04/2025 18:57

Ooo didn't realise puregym had the same policy. I shall email them too!

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TangenitalContrivance · 20/04/2025 17:30

I also did this after having sent one a month ago - the address is often your club name AT davidlloyd.co.uk

I have not got a response yet either

MsFogi · 20/04/2025 17:17

Years ago Pure Gym told me to f**k off and suck it up (or use the disabled loos) if men who identify as women want to use the women's changing rooms - I cancelled my membership.

Endthisshit · 20/04/2025 17:15

I definitely do not think it’s a waste of time! I saw Sex Matters have promised some templates for us to use. 🤞

Endthisshit · 20/04/2025 17:11

Thanks for this will use for my local. 🤞👍

Silversixpenny · 20/04/2025 14:44

https://www.ceoemail.com/

[email protected]

CEO

AprilMadness · 20/04/2025 13:52

Well that's annoying. The customer service one bounced back and the members one is unmonitored.

You have to put [email protected]

Going to email a few around the country. Yeah I know it's probably a waste of time, but I finally feel my voice is being heard!

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NotLactoseFree · 20/04/2025 13:13

Well, in my experience, emailing the central email address is pointless. They just t redirect you back to your own club. But do keep trying. Our local one had a trans member of staff who I always felt desperately sorry for - he seemed like a nice young lad who was clearly just confused and unhappy in a fairly slim/slight young man's body. But I had to avoid the bathroom when he was in there.

Arran2024 · 20/04/2025 13:07

I'm a DL member too and would love to hear what they say. I too would like a Bannatynes but it's not likely to happen

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