Tomorrow's Mail front page: Labour trying to reverse reverse ferret

Also think the leak may be good for Labour if Starmer stands up to these MPs and TRA activists. Starmer is ruthless and law abiding so I am hopeful that common sense and political sense will prevail. If he doesn't take the opportunity when the ruling has given him clear grounds then Labour deserve to be wiped out.

All four of them are gay, lesbian or 'a member of the LGBTQ+' community.

Bryant and Eagle are Stonewall's puppets. Guessing the other two are having strings pulled too.

There's a new GC LGB group called Labour LGB who will be onto this. https://labourlist.org/2025/02/labour-lgb-splinter-group-trans-rights/
They only started up a couple of months ago (it's a major thing in the Labour Party, starting a group without the mandatory T) and they have yet to get their website up and running, but they're... well, shall we say they're the right people in the right place at the right time.

This is the encouraging bit

Someone in the Labour Front Bench WhatsApp chat wants to torpedo any attempt to hand free votes to Reform.

That suggests they are committed, determined and understand the problem.

Maybe it was Starmer(!) in a damage limitation exercise to kill this off once and for all. I half joke here. It would be within his own best interests, more than anyone else. I suspect it's actually someone else but either way, someone really doesn't want this group of MPs to get their way.

Lots of people who have apparently never read the daily mail have strong opinions about it's articles, which of course they will never actually read.

And repeat.

Clearly.

And sadly, I can't say I am surprised.

It just shows how out of step with the majority of voters they are, if it's remotely true.

You honestly believe this whole article is made up fiction? Quoted WhatsApp messages with names?
Don’t you think that would expose the paper to a potential libel case from each person named?

You may not like the DM but I’m pretty sure they have a legal department which ensures they don’t make themselves vulnerable to court cases in this way.

There were twitter rumours yesterday that Labour activists and union bods etc were discussing ways around the ruling. Unions in particular are a massive problem when it comes to upholding women's rights, and they still hold a lot of power over the party.

I don't think starmer is daft enough to change the law, more likely he will just try to pretend none of this is happening. The problem is, i just dont trust Labour, they have talked out of both sides of their mouth for too long on this, sometimes to the point of gaslighting. The government, and all its inatitutions, the NHS, police, CPS, the civil service public etc need to be watch like a hawk.

What a surprise (not).

It always suited Labour that the law was so confusing nobody knew what it meant. They didn’t give a shit that numerous women are having to spend years and hundreds of thousands of pounds to establish their rights. They could have stepped in at any time to clarify things either way but instead they just kept making statements about how the law is perfectly clear as it is, treating us like we are stupid.

We had similar on here for welfare cuts. Lots of it’s the media making it up. Up until Labour brought them in.

You can have legislation that does not disagree with the Supreme Court ruling. One that says someone with a GRC can access certain services. I am of the view that Keir Starmer will not bring forward legislation.

This "labour won't do it as it's bad politics" faith is touching...but dies remind me of those before the election saying Labour were better for women overall abd to trust them: hows that worked so far?

Well the facts it’s on the front page of a well read newspaper, is all over X and we are discussing it here, would suggest that it is quite the opposite of a “non-story”.

Maybe they forgot Rosie Duffield was in the group ;

Would be amusing if so.

Good on whoever leaked it. Labour are bad on this.

Yes, here’s the story. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14628401/Labour-Whatsapp-leaked-messages-transgender-court-ruling.html

I see some posters have resorted to the tried and trusted Shoot The Messenger approach.

Alongside some gentle minimising.

This forces Keir Starmer's hand. He now has to respond.

This is literally just some of the people in the Labour Party that you would have predicted being angry at the judgment being angry at the judgment. It’s a non-story.

OMG Noooo! And yes, never thought I’d say this, but thank you DM for outing this. Here’s hoping there’s enough sanity in the Labour Party to avoid this like the plague.

Exactly that. We are setting up a WhatsApp group at work as part of emergency plan. Been told it’s covered by FOI legislation so public.

Don't expect these MPs unhappy with the court ruling from the SC will be bothered that in addition to all the threats of violence against women on yesterday's protest, the women from FWS are receiving daily death threats. Articles in the Times with archive link below (I'm sure the Guardian & BBc will get around to reporting this... maybe...)

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/women-threatened-statues-defaced-supreme-court-trans-mwv6dvpz2

https://archive.ph/BMey6

What lecture? Are you quite sure that you're not believing this because you want to?

Naivety lies in accepting what the Mail says without reservation. I do know that most other serious news sources believe considerably more in checking their facts.

Well done to whoever leaked that conversation and to the Mail for publishing it. The time for deals to remove women's rights happening behind closed doors is over.
If MPs want to challenge the Supreme Court decision and advise people to undermine it, say it openly and see where that level of student politics gets them.

I agree

The Mail is exaggerating the actions of a few discontents.

Starmer would have been very happy with the judgement as it meant he could carry on fence sitting on the issue.

They can try to pass new legislation if they want. I suspect Starmer won't bother, though plenty might like him too.

That said I worry that the pro-trans people in Labour are exactly the sort to moan incessantly about laws they don't like whilst making absolutely no serious effort to change them. That's exactly how the American left operates nowadays and transism is of course highly influenced by that school of politics. They think it's easier to try to get votes by promising to change stuff than to actually do anything to change it. (See also the Tories on immigration and the economy.)

It seems that you are suggesting the article contains fabrications.

If you are asserting that those WhatsApp messages are fabricated then say that, rather than a pathetic , “I’m not saying anything but…”