@IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta
Like you I struggle to get my head around why you’d want to be recognised as male and then do something as massively female as give birth
I couldn’t of done it, but others can so that’s great for them,
But then as you pointed out, in that particular case at least, they wanted to have a child naturally, which is what women do, but then be recognised as the father, which women can’t do.
But there have been trans men who’ve kicked up just as much ‘look at me I’m special’ fuss, as trans women.
And men’s spaces should absolutely be protected just as much as women’s.
But, Women campaigned because they were uncomfortable, men aren’t saying they feel uncomfortable or feel threatened by trans men (as far as I know). They aren’t complaining about their spaces being used by trans people. Trans men. (As far as I know) haven’t been convicted of sexual offences against men in these shared spaces. So nobody talks about whether men feel comfortable
And nobody talks about trans men, because largely they’ve never been the issue.
And if someone was to come on here now and say ‘what about men’
I don’t think it would be received well.
As I said previously, I use a third space, which is usually a disabled facility wherever possible
It isn’t always possible so then I’m faced with going in to a female facility and being challenged and having to tell a women that I’m trans (which by law I am not required to do as I hold a GRC)
Or I nip in to the men’s, nobody looks at me twice, I pee and leave.
One of those options makes me comfortable and doesn’t bother anyone else.
The other is going to make everyone uncomfortable
There should be a third space that means trans people don’t ever have to go in a ‘gendered’ space.
But there isn’t one.
If there is, it’s a disabled facility, and then you’ve got disabled people saying we shouldn’t be using them if we aren’t disabled.
As you pointed out yourself, theoretically a trans man could overpower and assault a man, as could a man, in a male only facility.
By that theory, a trans man, with testosterone may be able to overpower a woman, but everyone here is saying they are comfortable with trans men in women’s facilities.
A trans man is just as capable of rape if they’ve had surgery, or object rape if they have not. Just like a woman is capable of assaulting another woman, and assaulting a man (it’s rare but it happens).
But by those standards nobody should share a space with anyone because we are all capable of harm if we want to be.