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Trans women are still women 2nd thread

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:07

So very important for all sides.

Just wanted to continue this interesting and somewhat "provocative" debate

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 17:14

SleeplessInWherever · 19/04/2025 17:07

Out of interest - do they believe that sex is binary and not disputed, but gender is flexible, changeable and therefore less rigid?

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@SleeplessInWherever tbh, I really think that they believe, sex is not binary!

And it's this that totally confuses me!!

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autisticbookworm · 19/04/2025 17:11

lifeturnsonadime · 19/04/2025 16:28

What are typical female behaviours?

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Well I know a few trans women who wear their hair long, wear dresses and make up, women’s shoes. Carry a handbag. But obviously not all women do those things .

SleeplessInWherever · 19/04/2025 17:07

beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:33

is it really that easy though @FortyElephants?

1000 posts and the debate has resolved?

I have to admit, I struggle with this issue.

I believe that "sex" is binary.

My 30+ year old children, disagree.

I am totally willing to be educated though and I want to hear everyone, whichever side.

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Out of interest - do they believe that sex is binary and not disputed, but gender is flexible, changeable and therefore less rigid?

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 17:01

Bogginsthe3rd · 19/04/2025 16:59

One could draw the opposite conclusion

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Bogginsthe3rd · 19/04/2025 16:59

FortyElephants · 19/04/2025 16:11

Surely once a thread has got to 1000 posts everything has been said and the discussion can come to a natural end...

One could draw the opposite conclusion

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:59

Oooh @Naunet ye just got ma back up 😆

Both Russell Gp uni's, they are well-educated humans 🙂

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myplace · 19/04/2025 16:57

Transwomen need to figure out how to live, given that they are not, never were and never will be, women.

That is a conversation I’d be happy to join in with. I don’t want people to be unhappy or to suffer. I also don’t want to be forced to perform acceptance of something which is not true.

Appledrop · 19/04/2025 16:57

If we open the door to men, it's wide open to not only being abused, but on top of that, sex based protections being potentially taken away for all and sundry in the future. I am concerned that men will argue against these protections at some point by claiming that they are already present in women's spaces. They will use it against us, just like transwomen are doing right now.

SleeplessInWherever · 19/04/2025 16:55

beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:45

Ok, @SleeplessInWherever

"if we all just operated a bit of minding our own business"

(don't use ma toilet though)

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Yours personally? I won’t, don’t worry.

Naunet · 19/04/2025 16:54

Potnoodly · 19/04/2025 16:37

What makes a woman a woman?

Biology, same as every other female animal.

Naunet · 19/04/2025 16:53

beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:33

is it really that easy though @FortyElephants?

1000 posts and the debate has resolved?

I have to admit, I struggle with this issue.

I believe that "sex" is binary.

My 30+ year old children, disagree.

I am totally willing to be educated though and I want to hear everyone, whichever side.

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Sex IS binary. If your 30 year old plus children don't think it is because DSDs exist, they had a poor education. Suggest they listen to expert Prof Robert Winston and educate themselves.

If they think gender is more important because biological sex isn't clear enough for them, ask them to provide their cast iron definition of woman gender and man gender (note, 'a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman', is not a definition of woman gender, it just tells us how one can become a member of the woman gender).

Nameychangington · 19/04/2025 16:50

transwomen are not and have never been women

Fixed the title for you

Offthecut · 19/04/2025 16:47

By having to say trans women are women says it all …. Biological women don’t have to scream that they are women

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:45

SleeplessInWherever · 19/04/2025 16:33

Not, tbh.

I think the world would be a much more pleasant place if we all just operated a bit of minding our own business, less baiting strangers on the internet, and less assuming everyone has shitty intentions.

Beyond it being all over every area of the internet I go to, what space someone chooses to be in takes up precisely zero of my headspace day to day.

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Ok, @SleeplessInWherever

"if we all just operated a bit of minding our own business"

(don't use ma toilet though)

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lifeturnsonadime · 19/04/2025 16:40

Potnoodly · 19/04/2025 16:37

What makes a woman a woman?

Easy - a female human who survives to adulthood.

Men and boys are not female humans even if they believe that they have a gender identity.

Potnoodly · 19/04/2025 16:37

What makes a woman a woman?

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2025 16:33

We’re is the debate though OP?

trans women are trans women - that’s just a fact and not really debatable

thisisplanetearthapparently · 19/04/2025 16:33

lifeturnsonadime · 19/04/2025 16:31

I wonder if 'typical female behaviour' is calling for a mass pissing event outside the Houses of Parliament in protest of the Supreme Court verdict?

Hope they take their she pees... Oh hang on...

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beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:33

FortyElephants · 19/04/2025 16:11

Surely once a thread has got to 1000 posts everything has been said and the discussion can come to a natural end...

is it really that easy though @FortyElephants?

1000 posts and the debate has resolved?

I have to admit, I struggle with this issue.

I believe that "sex" is binary.

My 30+ year old children, disagree.

I am totally willing to be educated though and I want to hear everyone, whichever side.

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SleeplessInWherever · 19/04/2025 16:33

beetr00 · 19/04/2025 16:25

@SleeplessInWherever

"I don’t have the emotional capacity, or energy, to be “very sad”"

I hear you, life is busy, stressful, hard.

Some things, though, are worth the debate and your head space, or not?

I do, respect your point of view either way @SleeplessInWherever

Not, tbh.

I think the world would be a much more pleasant place if we all just operated a bit of minding our own business, less baiting strangers on the internet, and less assuming everyone has shitty intentions.

Beyond it being all over every area of the internet I go to, what space someone chooses to be in takes up precisely zero of my headspace day to day.

lifeturnsonadime · 19/04/2025 16:31

I wonder if 'typical female behaviour' is calling for a mass pissing event outside the Houses of Parliament in protest of the Supreme Court verdict?

ButterCrackers · 19/04/2025 16:30

Give these men a bag of blood between their legs with pain for one week out of every four. The idea of being a woman will fade fast. Men aren’t women. Fact.

thisisplanetearthapparently · 19/04/2025 16:30

WhereIsMyJumper · 19/04/2025 16:27

Nope.
Transwomen are Transwomen.

New acronym there..which is quite fitting...

miniegghead · 19/04/2025 16:29

autisticbookworm · 19/04/2025 16:25

If someone feels they are female and wish to follow some typical female behaviours I’m happy for them. As long as womens right to safety and ability to thrive in society is not affected.

Absolutely this.

It’s just not possible, biologically or otherwise, for a man to be a woman. Why would you think it is? They can identify as what they like, they can believe it to be the truth if it makes them happy. But they can’t expect everyone else to go along with the fantasy. Or for society to accommodate it at the expense of others.

Nousernamesleftatall · 19/04/2025 16:29

Of course they are not.

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