Trans women are still women 2nd thread

Well it's this or clean out the fishtank (or is that a blue job?) so I'll try again.

Men = bad No. Many men= delightful. Some men= dangerous . No way to tell by looking which is which so all stay out to keep women safe

Gender stereotypes = not real No. Gender stereotypes exist, but don't have to be lived down to. Liking dinosaurs doesn't make you male, it makes you a person who likes dinosaurs. Ditto make-up, dresses, glitter etc.

NHS = even more bad No. NHS= good, but not infallible

Why have a dog and bark yourself 🤷🏻‍♀️

The overall point that I was making is that gender constructs are real, and some people actually see areas of that as a benefit, and don’t reject gender ideology for the sake of the trans debate.

For any short people who wash their own cars, my tip is that a mop comes in very handy for cleaning the roof

im 5ft 1” and use a drive through car wash - no ladders needed and no performative ‘man doing a man job’ needed

Oh don't go, Nameychangington, it's fun seeing how far we can regress - I thought 1970s, someone else went 1950s, and I think we'll be covering up the legs of pianos before long😄

She also said that socially transitioning children is not a neutral act.... so.

Very jazzy 😂😂😂

I’m not.

Men = bad

Gender stereotypes = not real

NHS = even more bad

I think I get it!

You mean the one who said children and young people shouldn’t be issued hormone therapy or puberty blockers?

I did say earlier developing bodies shouldn’t be altered, so…

You're missing the point, and derailing the thread, so I shall leave you to enjoy your highly gender-stereotyped peace

You're not wrong there! This is mine. I wear a little hat with a bell on it when I'm driving it.

I did say I could get a ladder out. It’s not necessary to have someone do the things that I either don’t want to do, or aren’t convenient (as in, I need ladders to change bulbs), but it’s easier and I don’t need the glory of doing it myself.

I lived alone between my ex husband and now partner - I didn’t die. But I don’t need the die on the hill of independence.

How are you on taking the advice of somebody like Hilary Cass, * *Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, Fellow of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, who is or has been chair of the British Academy of Childhood Disability, established the Rett Clinic for children, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, consultant at Great Ormond Street Hospital for 15 years and honorary physician in paediatric disability at the Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Foundation Trust?

Lesbians must only drive tiny cars then 😃

FFS my mother's your height and has lived on her own for decades. She's in her mid 70s now and she still climbs ladders and mows her own lawn.

We're having to encourage her to call for help as she had a tumble last month.

She'd never dream of needing a man to do things she can do.

Yeah the NHS has never made any mistakes, that's why there have never been any scandals about maternity care, or Harold Shipman, or ect therapy.

I’m currently more inclined to take the advice of the NHS, than some people on the internet.

Can’t have it all ways, SleeplessInWherever?

Oh can't we? You just have to think beyond the very limited 'They either need to do things, and have physical strength that we don’t, or they don’t'.

There's a whole world of women out here, who either don't need men to do anything for us at all [e.g. me] or women who don't need men to do anything for them but like their company and come to their own personalised arrangement about things like cutting the grass..

The world is full of variety, and full of possibilities.

Putting out the bins doesn't require strength, that's my 12 year olds job. Ditto mowing the lawn. The stuff you've described as 'blue jobs' are just jobs, anyone can do them. They're not inherently men things.

I’m 5ft2, we drive a fairly large car. Genuinely can’t reach the top of it.

If you think I’m getting a ladder out to do something that he can do far more easily, for the sake of “I’m a strong independent woman 💪🏻” glory, you are mistaken.

You can dress how you want and change your name but you cannot change sex. And the NHS is extremely captured by gender ideologues - perhaps you're not aware of the Tavistock scandal? Thinking you're the opposite sex and thinking you're fat when you're not are really not very different. Both are delusions.

To be fair, reading some (not all) of the things I’ve seen on here in recent months, I have considered whether those who have such awful views of men have them living in their houses.

When people have suggested we should assume all men are dangerous, or that they don’t want to be around them ever, or made huge generalisations about male behaviour, I have thought “Do you feel that way about your husband?”

At least now I have something of an answer!

How strong do you need to be to cut grass and wash a car

No?

What I was saying is that Mumsnet is always on about the division of household labour and women running the house. I say that we divide labour and you say I live in the 50s.

The same people say men are inherently dangerous because they’re big and strong. I say “yeah that’s why mine does things that require that, and I would expect him to use those attributes to keep me safe,” and that’s wrong too.

Pick a side. They either need to do things, and have physical strength that we don’t, or they don’t. Can’t have it all ways.

Do you know this will all end? It really will. The more women realise that harming their bodies won't make society perceive them as male. The more and more women who have serious health issues as a result of the cocktails of drugs that they are required to become patients of.

I would not disown my child but I would despair for them.

And there is no way on gods green earth I would ever support an ideology that says to lesbians and autistic girls that they must have been born wrong.

It's hideous.