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So what question would you have asked on a Topical Comedy Show?

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CarefulN0w · 19/04/2025 15:11

The story of the week was ignored by HIGNFY and trivialised by Radio 4’s News Quiz. So what could have been asked?

I’m thinking the odd one out round could have had pictures of the Pope in church, a bear in the woods, a woman and equal pay. Which one isn’t real?

They could have had fun with the best reverse ferret award, and played the missing words round with politician’s speeches.

But if the BBC can’t find any jokes, I’m sure FWR can.

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HeySugarSugar · 27/04/2025 16:04

WearyLady · 27/04/2025 10:04

I think I’m bit behind here. Where did Ian Hislop say he was annoyed about his comments on the SC judgement being cut?

This Friday’s episode - he sounded very annoyed about it.

RoastOrMash · 27/04/2025 12:46

Isn’t HIGNFY made by Hat Trick who were also ones who wouldn’t do Father Ted musical unless Glinner stepped away? Maybe it was a Hat Trick editing decision rather than BBC?
Hopefully the cut might be covered in Private Eye…

Conxis · 27/04/2025 10:57

WearyLady · 27/04/2025 10:04

I think I’m bit behind here. Where did Ian Hislop say he was annoyed about his comments on the SC judgement being cut?

He didn’t actually say it but some of us picked it up in his tone

WearyLady · 27/04/2025 10:04

I think I’m bit behind here. Where did Ian Hislop say he was annoyed about his comments on the SC judgement being cut?

HeySugarSugar · 27/04/2025 09:21

Harassedevictee · 27/04/2025 09:15

I agree he was pissed off but I thought it was because he was made to talk about it. However, I am happy to accept they did cover it and it was cut.

It was the fact he said he talked about John Stuart Mills clash of rights. Not a name associated with either side that made me think they hadn’t really discussed it.

As I’ve said I’m happy to accept I misinterpreted the segment.

Quoting Mills would be typical of Hislop - and it would suggest he does understand the issue of clashing rights and that trans rights do affect women’s rights.

HeySugarSugar · 27/04/2025 09:19

Harassedevictee · 26/04/2025 12:22

I honestly think Ian Hislop was joking about the previous show and nothing was cut.

They didn’t want to discuss it, they had a backlash and it was a slightly jokey way to apologise and bring the topic up.

I disgree - I think Hislop had said something sensible but the BBC didn’t want to hear it. I think his views would have been very reasonable but definitely broadly in support of the ruling. I think he seemed genuinely angry that they’d not had the guts to broadcast it.

Harassedevictee · 27/04/2025 09:15

I agree he was pissed off but I thought it was because he was made to talk about it. However, I am happy to accept they did cover it and it was cut.

It was the fact he said he talked about John Stuart Mills clash of rights. Not a name associated with either side that made me think they hadn’t really discussed it.

As I’ve said I’m happy to accept I misinterpreted the segment.

Conxis · 27/04/2025 08:53

I also felt he seemed quite pissed off

Harassedevictee · 27/04/2025 08:47

PrettyDamnCosmic · 27/04/2025 07:48

I watched the extended edition of HIGNFY last night. Ian Hislop wasn't joking. He seemed pretty pissed off that his response to the SC ruling had been cut.

Thanks, I obviously misread his emotion’s.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 27/04/2025 07:48

Harassedevictee · 25/04/2025 23:41

I thought Ian Hislop was joking about the segment that was cut. It was a way to cover it this week.

It did come over that even they feel it’s not a topic that can be discussed without a backlash.

I watched the extended edition of HIGNFY last night. Ian Hislop wasn't joking. He seemed pretty pissed off that his response to the SC ruling had been cut.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 26/04/2025 20:01

There has been a number of BBC articles recently implying that the Pope was very positive towards LGBT individuals and that's what I was thinking about.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 26/04/2025 18:46

@SameyMcNameChange Thanks for your update, happy to be corrected.

SameyMcNameChange · 26/04/2025 14:15

AmadeustheAlpaca · 26/04/2025 12:47

I agree. No one actually used the word trans and I thought Jo Brand was disappointing in that her only main comment was to have a dig at Kemi Badenoch instead of supporting Kemi's thoughts about Keir Starmer. Kemi was spot on and Jo's feminist stance seems to have vanished when she thinks her career might be at stake
Iain also talked about death threats but was too cowardly to say who had sent them to who. It's pretty obvious which group of people use death threats as a weapon, but it would have been good if he had said the word trans.
I'm not a Catholic but I thought it was distasteful to use the death of a major religious leader, an old man, as the butt of a lot of the HIGNFY jokes. I know it's a satirical news programme but why is it OK to make jokes about the Pope's funeral and possibly upset some Catholics but not make jokes about violent deluded men pretending to be women for perverted reasons. The Pope's funeral was used to create content and padding for the programme so that the presenters could say as little as possible about women's rights while giving the court ruling a cursory mention.
I'm pretty sure the Pope was pro trans - even he had pretended to accept it all, apologies if I am wrong.

No. Catholicism is clear that gender theory is not a good thing.

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2024/04/08/240408c.html

see section 55 onwards.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 26/04/2025 12:47

Harassedevictee · 26/04/2025 12:22

I honestly think Ian Hislop was joking about the previous show and nothing was cut.

They didn’t want to discuss it, they had a backlash and it was a slightly jokey way to apologise and bring the topic up.

I agree. No one actually used the word trans and I thought Jo Brand was disappointing in that her only main comment was to have a dig at Kemi Badenoch instead of supporting Kemi's thoughts about Keir Starmer. Kemi was spot on and Jo's feminist stance seems to have vanished when she thinks her career might be at stake
Iain also talked about death threats but was too cowardly to say who had sent them to who. It's pretty obvious which group of people use death threats as a weapon, but it would have been good if he had said the word trans.
I'm not a Catholic but I thought it was distasteful to use the death of a major religious leader, an old man, as the butt of a lot of the HIGNFY jokes. I know it's a satirical news programme but why is it OK to make jokes about the Pope's funeral and possibly upset some Catholics but not make jokes about violent deluded men pretending to be women for perverted reasons. The Pope's funeral was used to create content and padding for the programme so that the presenters could say as little as possible about women's rights while giving the court ruling a cursory mention.
I'm pretty sure the Pope was pro trans - even he had pretended to accept it all, apologies if I am wrong.

RoastOrMash · 26/04/2025 12:31

I haven’t watched last night’s yet, only the extended episode from last week, but I believe him it probably was covered. I’ve been to see HIGNFY recorded several times and from memory the recording is about 1.5hour so even with extended version there is a lot of material left on cutting room floor.. Plus if he’s lying/joking it’s easily disproved by audience who watched it being recorded. I expect it was editorial decision to cut it, someone ideological or scared of backlash.
Am looking forward to next Private Eye, they’d better cover it big or my sub will be cancelled!

Harassedevictee · 26/04/2025 12:22

I honestly think Ian Hislop was joking about the previous show and nothing was cut.

They didn’t want to discuss it, they had a backlash and it was a slightly jokey way to apologise and bring the topic up.

GrimDamnFanjo · 26/04/2025 10:34

I’ve stopped watching Last Lefg too. I always thought Adam Hills would be an ally for women especially as he has daughters. Sadly not.

GrimDamnFanjo · 26/04/2025 10:32

HIGNFY used to have JKR in the opening credits iirc - it’s been removed I think. She was in a tug or war with trans activists.

CarefulN0w · 26/04/2025 10:31

AlecTrevelyan006 · 26/04/2025 10:12

here's the 45min version of last Friday's show. I've just skimmed over it and couldn't see anything about the SC ruling. So it was edited out of both the short version and the longer version...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002b97p/have-i-got-a-bit-more-news-for-you-series-69-episode-3

Edited

Hmmm. 🤔

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Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2025 10:30

The footage of Joanna Cherry with her head in her hands while Kirsty Blackman, a mother of two, declared to the Scottish Parliament that she doesn't know what chromosomes she's got because she's never been tested is ripe for a section on a quiz show -

Along the lines of, 'what has Kirsty Blackman said here?'

A. Babies aren't born with a sex
B. I don't know what chromosomes I have, I've never been tested
C. Clownfish can change sex so....
D. The Scottish Government are a credible outfit

Waitwhat23 · 26/04/2025 10:22

SpidersAreShitheads · 19/04/2025 15:31

I stopped watching the Last Leg because of their attitudes around this subject.

They're willing to lift up any group of people, other than women.

Adam Hill and the rest of the Last Leg lot just don't seem to like women very much.

The way they lamented what a tragedy it was for Oscar Pistorius while writing Reeva Steenkamp out her own story, the way they've spoken about JKR and just their smug incredulousness that anyone would think differently to them has made what was a vaguely amusing tv programme into a circle jerk of men sniffing their own farts.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 26/04/2025 10:14

As a slight aside - here's an article from 2018 with Jo Brand

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/women-avoid-transgender-debate-fear-reaction-jo-brand-germaine-greer-feminism

Many women are wary of entering feminist debates over transgender issues because they are frightened of the reaction, the comedian and writer Jo Brand has said.

Brand was addressing a debate that has led to feminists such as Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel being “no-platformed” at some universities.

She said that reaction was “pathetic” and the two sides needed to see there was common ground. The big danger was that women avoided the debate.
“A lot of people feel very wary about talking about the topic,” Brand said. “A lot of women feel if they say anything at all there is a kind of knee-jerk reaction of anger which has nothing to do with the content of what they said … and because they feel frightened of being threatened. I mean, who wouldn’t be?”

Women avoid transgender debate in fear of reaction, says Jo Brand

Writer laments vilification of Germaine Greer and infighting within feminism

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/women-avoid-transgender-debate-fear-reaction-jo-brand-germaine-greer-feminism

CarefulN0w · 26/04/2025 09:59

Didn’t there used to be a longer version shown post 10pm a couple of days after the original broadcast? I wonder if the BBC be brave enough to show it.

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RoastOrMash · 26/04/2025 08:53

misscockerspaniel · 26/04/2025 08:48

Interesting that both Ian Hislop and Jo Brand referred to death threats received by those who spoke out. Shame they did not say from where the death threats came. Or may be they did, and it was edited. Has Private Eye covered the SC ruling?

The current issue came out just before SC judgement so I’m assuming it will be covered in next issue.

I too would be interested to see what was cut out from last week’s HIGNFY episode!