To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

😂. Same. It’s all just noise now.

‘Before’ it was a threat and needed to be addressed. Now, meh.

They (RTRA) lost. Fck off over there. And when they get there, fck off some more. In fact, they can fck off til they’ve done a full circle. Then fuck off some more.

More Ta Ra than TRA, I’d say.

My LinkedIn is interesting. The first couple of days was filled with posts from relieved women. A few were jubilant. Not a single one was anti-trans.

Today, it’s more mixed. Still no anti-trans posts, but a couple from “reasonable” male transitioners, one of whom suggested that women would be no better off, but that it would increase hatred against transistioners.

He stated that women had the right to single sex spaces in some instances and listed rape crisis, hospital wards and prisons. He said women had always had those rights.

Then there are HR types, some bewailing the awfulness for their “trans and non-binary” employees. Others are giving out misinformation and saying that trans people are now not covered by sex based rights but only gender recognition.

And a friend wrote to me, expressing the fact that she wasn’t sure where old-school transsexuals could go now and wondering how it could work.

What none of them are acknowledging, and this is the part I find most frustrating, is that the whole reason the case was brought was because transactivist organizations, right up to the Scottish Government were selling misinformation which undermined women’s rights.

Women didn’t start this battle and they are not at fault for pointing out what was happening, but there is a whole load of whining and wailing going on, which still has no acknowledgment of who it is that actually caused this problem in the first place.

I haven’t done it yet, but I really want to point out to the “reasonable” male transitioner that the whole reason the case was brought was because the Scottish Government and lower courts said specifically that women didn’t have the right ANY spaces to be single sex, ever.

This is all on them for trying to remove women’s rights, rather than work out what they really needed for safety and dignity and working towards that in a way that didn’t impinge on women.

Does Ben Cooper get to quote those remarks about the standard of his work anywhere and any time he pleases ?

You can’t hope for better peer recognition than that.

Yes third spaces were 'humiliating and degrading' as were disabled toilets.

Not sue why that is OK for those of us who need the accessible toilet.

So many good posts. It'll take ages for it to sink in that someone powerful has finally said no to trans activists. They've been allowed to use the most extreme tactics to reshape society for their own ends - verging at times on terrorist behaviour - and they're not going to be forced to behave like civilised adults easily.
It's going to take time, calm repetition and clear boundaries to start to put this mess right. which of course so many women are experts in having dealt with toddlers and teenagers.

Yes, I’m seeing a lot more cries of ‘fascist’ and the like on my Facebook, and it’s incredibly depressing to see a lot of reposting of fact-free, emotive videos from idiots in their cars. Dismissing ‘old, white’ women for taking away ‘trans rights’.

Read Maya Forstater’s update on the case from yesterday: Sex Matters on X: "Update from Maya! What an amazing day: 16th April 2025, the day women in the UK got their rights back. t.co/HqqOOvnQpd" / X

Ben Cooper was singled out by the SC for the excellence of his work. This ruling was as unequivocal as Sex Matters could have planned for. It’s watertight. And still being wilfully misunderstood by so many who can’t even see the misogyny they display alongside it.

Brendan O’Neill is blistering there and it’s fantastic someone can still see fit to lampoon it all so caustically and comedically - but it’s very obvious that a female writer would not be able to be so flippant.

IT IS NOT HOW I IDENTIFY

WOMAN BORN NO PREFIX NEEDED

I will not give up my woman title to a born man and his petty handmaidens

Yes, but the campaign is not over and there is still a long way to go. The ruling was radical because of its clear-sightedness and stating of facts...but trans ideology is culturally embedded in many/most organisations. The ruling actually has very deep implications for the whole trans concept has it has come to be embodied. The idea that TWAW etc. All of those mantras that were chanted; the forced use of pronouns; the false reporting of crimes as being committed by women etc The way that it has infected childhood, and the long term harm done to children....being told they could change sex, or are actually the opposite sex.

If you look at the effect that Trump's/Musk's/Vance's belligerent/wipe your face in it approach is having in the U.S, and beyond, you'll note how counterproductive it is being. All of his measures and edicts are being stifled and challenged at every turn, and the temperature has heated up even more. He's creating enemies even out of friends.

I know we're all thrilled at this ruling; I am too.....It brings such relief and validation, and also recognition of all that people have been subject to. Of the terrible behaviour; the intimidation and bullying, and the closing down of discussion, the banning ( even on here), the discipline procedures, the abandonemnt by the Labour party etc - and so of course people want to celebrate.......but there is still a need for a steely resolve and an eye on the goal.

It doesn't matter how 'they' respond. It matters more how we respond.

Kathleen Stock's letter to the times " Sir, I told you" was enough.

Seeing the levels of hatred that are being spewed now some GC women feel emboldened by the ruling leaves no doubt as to why trans people must be feeling afraid

I genuinely think there is psychological issues associated with this thought process. Sex realists, have had years of threats - many public in the form of posters, tweets and direct action, yet when they say "glad, women can be safer in loos" they are accused of terrifying trans people.

If you are a transactvist then sort out the aggression within the community and highlight the threats that have been made to women. If you highlight those then your statements will have more credibility.
JK was met with hostility/violence yet her initial statement contained no threats to trans people. She wasn't unkind, aggressive or hostile just stating the law.

You have to cleaning up your own house first before trying to impose stricter behaviours on others.

Imo the ruling will lead to a further proliferation of gender neutral spaces when it comes to schools, gyms, cafes etc. I think it makes it simpler for hospitals and prisons in the first instance but it's possible they go down a 2 space route in prisons ie trans women area in a female prison and vice versa.

@urghhh47, this won't be legal in many cases. Schools and employers have to provide single sex toilets, for instance. And transwomen are already housed in the male prison estate (in the main), and will remain there.

I really can't see places spending time and resources they don't have changing male and female toilets to gender neutral. I can, sadly, foresee longer queues for disabled facilities which are by their nature gender neutral.

I laughed out loud when I read that boxing promoter and convicted wife beater Kellie Maloney is concerned that if he commits a crime he will be put in a man's prison and be at risk of rape and violence. Hyperbole at it's best!

Oh god I’m sooooo bored if the testeria and the wailing and the but ‘trans men in your toilets’ and in particular the endlessly performative stupidity around “oh noooeess it’s so haaard how on earth can single sex anything be done???” as if ppl have been asked to learn advanced quantum physics in 2 hours.

They were sold a lie by Stonewall. The organisation supposed to be advocating for them has thrown them to the lions by conveying the law as they wished it to be. That by getting a GRC a transwoman is a woman in the eyes of the law, that gender affirming care is health care and bodies are Lego and sex can be changed. They’re now having to face the reality that this isn’t the case. Instead of lobbying and funding for services that would actually have made trans identified people safe they tried to piggyback on women’s work to take our spaces and have spent an awful lot of money doing so.

I would hope there would be a case of emperor’s new clothes and trans identified people would see what has happened and be angry at the right people but I fear their anger will remain misplaced with us and women’s rights and safety will be further eroded by mixed sex services and changing villages.

I do think many of the older transmen and transwomen are horrified at all this. They just wanted to keep their heads down and live what they assumed would be an easier life. Yes, they may have used wrong sex bathrooms but would never have dreamt of using women’s refuges or survivor groups. Their lives will just have been made infinitely harder by vocal men’s rights supporters and their dutiful well-meaning allies.

Trans people should be pissed off with Stonewall, not feminists. By interpreting the law as they wished it to be, and then pedalling this bad advice to service providers and employers they created a world where trans people thought they could self ID. They were led down the garden path by Stonewall who have profited handsomely from it.

I would love to see something critical of them written by someone from the TRA side, highlighting their role in this shit show.

Because a female woman is a tautology. Female doesn’t need to be added as a moderator because a woman is an adult human female and there is no other kind. “Cis” implies that woman can be moderated to include men, thereby making us a subset of our own class.

Yes, the rhetoric on r/transgenderuk is insane! Third spaces are 'segregation', not being officially women is 'literal fascism', some are even saying that the end game will be 'forced conversion therapy' and denial of all treatment even to adults. I feel sorry but then I remember they're making themselves scared w non existent worries, & we are the people who were actually threatened. Some clearly have mental illnesses, but that is not our fault

I'm still jiggling at the description of James O'Brien as a "knob jockey" (from the shared article for those who have opened the link!)

Imo the ruling will lead to a further proliferation of gender neutral spaces when it comes to schools, gyms, cafes etc. I think it makes it simpler for hospitals and prisons in the first instance but it's possible they go down a 2 space route in prisons ie trans women area in a female prison and vice versa.

I too have been irritated by the hysteria. At the end of the day the SC clarified the current law. That law can and might be changed. I find it an odd reaction to something that actually IS law.

Why do you object to being called a cis-woman?

It wasn't long ago that trans Community and their allies were rejoicing that the new laws against hate speech in Scotland would get terfs thrown in jail for saying trans women are men on twitter.

Remember when JK Rowling said effectively If a woman is threatened with hate crime for saying a man is a man then I will repeat those words and they can come for me too. How the TRA's gleefully thought the police were coming for her.

Yeah the police had to back down and now women are very much free to say that trans women are men as it has legally been deemed so.

Had the trans Community not pushed so hard to takeover women's spaces and taken a more moderate approach to their activities they would not have got the push back they did. It was very much a 'give an inch and they'll take a mile' situation. We just want our mile back. The trans women have the TRA's to thank for what has happened now.

Time for them to really push for male facilities to include whatever they get from the female facilities. They do have cubicles though, so I can't really see the problem as that's what women were told when they insisted on using the female toilets.

I don't understand your post at all. I have not see any hatred towards trans people this week. Disagreeing that transwomen are not women is not hatred, it's reality that unanimous judges deemed the only coherent definition and anything else was incoherent. You're similarly being incoherent.

Or is it that previously women who always felt that way now have courage to actually say how they feel as previously in saying that they disagreed with trans ideology would lead to them being called bigoted terfs and could lose them friendships, jobs, family.

Most women felt the same but were silenced by the vocal minority. They now aren't afraid to speak up and say this is wrong.

I’ve not seen anything like that from women. Is it possible you are just seeing words and then pretending you’ve read something entirely different that wasn’t actually said, seeing as you’ve just done exactly that to MrsJamin’s post?

I am angry with women. Trans activists will do as they will but they do even seem to understand the ruling of the SC, let alone anything deeper as to why it might be important for women to be able to have some spaces to themselves.

Its the desperation to virtual signal and wave their flags so will post slogans (or worse, one is reposting Little misogynistic OJ) but with no grasp of the situation at all.

Where is this open hatred?

Can you show/link to proof of what you claim so that we can judge the comments for ourselves?