To be annoyed by tra hyperbole around supreme court judgment

Hmm. They haven’t actually read the ruling have they. How embarrassing.

50k people who were absent the day critical thinking was taught at school.

There's now a petition on X to demand the government change legislation to allow trans people to 'change their legal gender' at any age. So far 50k people have signed.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 10:05

What an excellent point you made about terrorism. It's definition (paraphrasing from memory) is a political, ideological, or religious position, by which adherents use intimidation, threats of violence and actual violence to force the acquiescence of an opponent/s.

This is exactly what the trans extremist mob has done, in order to silence women and to make them "accept" their position.

urghhh47 · Today 07:42

I'm still jiggling at the description of James O'Brien as a "knb jckey"

Be careful about repeating that, it's a slur used against gay men.

Yes, I'm annoyed by it. And especially the number of stupid TRAs and supposedly progressive but actually just unthinking lazy tribal "allies" who REALLY should know better & utilise their brains a little more, who are decrying it, making false claims, just as they did with the Cass Review.

Same story and usual suspects. Enablers like the Grauniad, the Independent, the Greens and misogynist union reps and anti-feminist "feminist" groups which centre men are not helping. And it is for this reason the battle is very far from over. It will take a very, very long time for this pernicious, fact-free quasi-religious (and very well funded) ideology to die and be uprooted. There are still a lot of people who sincerely think this misogynist, homophobic nonsense is somehow the "new gay rights" and anyone who questions it is somehow "far right". Pathetic and false, but unfortunately a narrative I am seeing a great deal of.

This is nonsensical.
You say that you are aware that those with GC views have been rounded on but because you don’t see it in your corner of the internet you won’t act on that.
Simultaneously you are here - in a corner of the internet where no one has called anyone a perverted rapist - and we are supposed to leap to action?
You saw a discriminatory post. Report it and get over yourself. Stop hectoring people who agree with you that discrimination is bad

Superb. So clever, funny and ascerbic. Thanks so much for sharing that. Made my day.

If I was Saint Ben, I’d have that tattooed on my forehead

Go and screenshot the MN comment that says all trans people are perverted rapists. And the first few responses. Then post it here. I'll wait.

There are many many many examples of gender critical people having death threats. Lesbian meetings being targeted by tra's wearing balaclavas and baseball bats. Politicians photographed in front of signs saying 'death to terfs'

If you haven't seen any of it you must not be on the Internet much.

I find the 'if I didn't know better I'd fancy you' comment interesting

I thought men who support trans rights believe that trans women are actual women

So surely having sex with a trans woman is something they would be totally into... I mean they are women after all? Or is it that when the clothes come off and they are faced with a cock and balls or an inverted penis they come to the conclusion that a woman is more than lipstick and a dress

You have twisted what I say. I don’t dispute GC women have been rounded on but I don’t see it because I don’t frequent online spaces where it happens. I was talking about trans people suddenly beginning to be described as ‘disgusting’ or ‘perverts’ or ‘twisted’ or ‘rapists’ (I’ve actually seen a post on MN that says trans people are perverted rapists).

Ive never seen this level of vitriol on here before. And the fact that nobody has challenged suggests that it’s a common opinion. If such language is being used on MN, I imagine places like Twitter are a lot worse.

Sheila Fogarty’s LBC programmes on Thurs was interesting as she was holding the line about it not being just about safety and how females benefit simply from space away from men, and should have the right to do so. This was the point that floored callers.

The ‘bigoted’ claims mostly cluster around accusations of perceiving trans people as dangerous, deviant, and/or perverted. There is little acceptance of being able to view transwomen as kind and gentle and still not want them in our spaces, any more than wanting any other kind and gentle male acquaintances in them.

One of the most awful aspects of this whole business is the number of young people who have been led down a path of radical surgeryand damaging cross sex hormone usage. They've been encouraged at every turn; had their feelings validated; and their allies have shut down and abused anyone who suggested a different narrative.

I spent years on another forum witnessing the transition of a young man - at that point about 19/20 years of age, but now in his early 30's and having had his penis surgically removed last year. He has breast implants and had other 'work' done. I've watched as other men on the forum have told him how great he looks, how if " they didn't know any better" they'd fancy him etc.

He would post updates and photos of himself ( always in the same demure pose) and seek feedback. I was shut down and threatend with being banned and had big pile ons - just for expressing my own view and experience - whilst he was given special priority and the space with which to indulge his fantasy of himself as a woman...to the extent he almost really did believe he was.

It is going to be very difficult for many of these people now to have to face a stark appointment with reality...and those around them who encouraged it all.......will most likley double down even further, because they secretly know they have some share of responsibility for this huge mess. The so called 'allies' are often the worst.

Why do trans women object to being called Trans Identifying Males?

two sides of the same coin - a label chosen by others and imposed on to someone else’s identity. As a group who press the issues of self and self identity - why is this difficult to understand?

Gosh - that’s awful. I hope you reported those posts as mumsnet won’t have any of that sort of talk. Do link to those here and we can join you in reporting them.

Sorry? What? Struggling to find examples?

The concept of there being different 'types' of women is inherently faulty, as well as misogynistic. A woman is an adult human female. It is a biological category, not an identity.

For those iof us who have grown up and operated within the women's movement; who have 'raised consciousness'; been involved with pregnancy; birthing; looking after small children; with the double standards applied to women; who have lived our lives in a female body and who know that experience intimately...it is just downright insulting to have such a modifier used to describe all of that.

Transwomen are men who have adopted or created a feminine persona and created an identity out of it. The sooner that is accepted as the reality, the better for everyone.

thin-lipped loon India Willoughby
Ive just woken up to this thread and the Spike article is hilarious 🤣

Some time back, Stephen Whittle openly discussed the strategy employed by TRAs in the 1990s and 2000s to work ‘under the radar, with policymakers, human rights bodies, and professional organisations to integrate ‘trans-inclusive’ policies without the public knowing. They knew that their progress would be hindered if those who would be impacted by the policy (the public) were consulted. They got the policy makers and organisations to focus solely on the needs/benefits of and for trans people. They dismissed the notion of objection as being like anti-gay sentiment that will disappear once people got over their fear. They thought that by the time the public or media noticed the changes, the policies would already be in place and functioning without issue, offering evidence that inclusion was not harmful.

The anger we see now is because their plan has been halted by a single ruling. They couldn’t circumvent the law, or the public forever, and they misjudged (and still don’t understand) the nature of the objections.

The progress they made with policy makers and organisations is still in play. Therefore, they are in overdrive trying to retain their ‘stealth wins’. The anger and sense of injustice is needed to try and hold as much ground as they can. I am very interested in how it will play out in the coming months….not the TRA reaction, but the organisations who were played.

Halfway through…Brilliant!! 👏🏻😃

Agree with you OP
they can fuck right off

People also need 'permission' to be to express that knowledge too. Gradually people will come out of the woodwork.

Already i see people who stayed well out of the debate suggesting that 'third spaces' are the obvious solution and also saying that this is all just 'common sense'.

What @Shortshriftandlethal said

"It doesn't matter how 'they' respond. It matters more how we respond."

We already knew what a woman was, give it some time to sink in for them and stay vigilant.

After all, they know that transwomen are not women really. It takes time to untangle that kind of thinking.

It's going to take time, calm repetition and clear boundaries to start to put this mess right. which of course so many women are experts in having dealt with toddlers and teenagers.

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