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A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING

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MarieDeGournay · 18/04/2025 16:44

Don't all rush at once!🙄

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Gardeninging · 18/04/2025 18:52

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The entire government of Scotland represented trans people in this case 🙄

Jackreacherstrousers · 18/04/2025 18:52

PersephoneSmith · 18/04/2025 18:40

There was no need to consult trans identifying people. It was not about the ‘feels’ or the ‘lived experience’ it was simply about the law.

This exactly!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 18/04/2025 18:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:39

This is satire, right?

I honestly can’t tell what’s satire or irony anymore.
I’m now desensitised to all the bullshit I’ve heard over the last 10 years.

NewYearNewName25 · 18/04/2025 18:51

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

Jesus wept. Have you people ever stopped and engaged your brain for so much as 10 seconds before spouting the utter nonsense that spews forth from your mouths?

The court heard from the parties involved in the case. Courts don’t hear from organisations - or private individuals - who aren’t involved in the cases they hear. This is not rocket science.

In this instance, the Scottish Ministers represented the trans side of the debate. They lost.

Where was the outrage when womens’ rights were being given away like candy with no consultation? It’s so hypocritical it’s ridiculous.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:50

PersephoneSmith · 18/04/2025 18:48

Actually I’m expecting an apology (or something) from work.
I was informed last Monday that someone who used to work there had made a complaint about me. Called me a transphobe for commenting ‘wearing lipstick and a dress does not make you a woman’ on a public Facebook post.
Apparently I’m to face disciplinary action, exactly what has yet to be decided.

I wasn’t confident that my HR department were familiar with the Forstater ruling, apparently a high percentage of HR professionals aren’t. I thought I was going to have to spend quite a long time explaining how my gender critical beliefs are protected by the Equality Act, but now I won’t have to!

Hurrah!

Now the Supreme Court has confirmed that even having a gender recognition certificate doesn't make a man a woman.

PersephoneSmith · 18/04/2025 18:48

Actually I’m expecting an apology (or something) from work.
I was informed last Monday that someone who used to work there had made a complaint about me. Called me a transphobe for commenting ‘wearing lipstick and a dress does not make you a woman’ on a public Facebook post.
Apparently I’m to face disciplinary action, exactly what has yet to be decided.

I wasn’t confident that my HR department were familiar with the Forstater ruling, apparently a high percentage of HR professionals aren’t. I thought I was going to have to spend quite a long time explaining how my gender critical beliefs are protected by the Equality Act, but now I won’t have to!

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 18:43

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The Scottish government only listened to trans groups when drafting the legislation. GC views were completely ignored - even though they predicted the Suprene Court ruling. Point your criticisms to the people who lied to the trans community. It’s an absolute scandal and trans people and allies should demand answers for the lies they were told

Annascaul · 18/04/2025 18:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:39

This is satire, right?

I doubt it, somehow. Horrifyingly.

Annascaul · 18/04/2025 18:41

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

😆😆😆😆

PersephoneSmith · 18/04/2025 18:40

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

There was no need to consult trans identifying people. It was not about the ‘feels’ or the ‘lived experience’ it was simply about the law.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:39

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

This is satire, right?

JazzyJelly · 18/04/2025 18:38

Floisme · 18/04/2025 18:28

This was in 2023 so before the Supreme Court ruling but, just to show anyone wavering that it can be done, Wes Streeting offered a public apology to Rosie Duffield.

Guardian link because I know there are people who won't believe any other media:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/28/wes-streeting-apologises-to-labour-mp-rosie-duffield-who-felt-ostracised-due-to-gender-views

That's actually quite something for a politician! Colour me impressed!

PriOn1 · 18/04/2025 18:33

MrsJRHartley · 18/04/2025 17:44

Do the SC ever consult the public before considering points of law?

Moreover, did anyone consult women before transactivist organizations decided they were going to remove our rights….?

Thought not!

CarefulN0w · 18/04/2025 18:29

Swashbuckled · 18/04/2025 16:57

LOL 🤣.

But seriously…

Would it be too much to ask for a period of Truth and Reconciliation to be considered across all public sector organisations and the country as a whole.

In the NHS this should align with their policy of Duty and Candour. In government, this should embed their acknowledgement of the law going forward, and how it has been ignored at the expense of women and girls.

A period of Truth and Reconciliation would acknowledge the wrongdoings and the indignity, fear and trauma that has been inflicted upon women and girls during this chapter in history. It should acknowledge the injustices in sport that have had to be endured by women and girls, including to their financial detriment. It should acknowledge the psychological oppression in demanding that people believe someone is of a different sex and the impact of having to go along with a belief they don’t have. It should acknowledge, and apologise for, specific legal wrongs and their impacts upon named individuals.

But, yes; this may be a short thread.

I like your thinking re DoC. And I think there could be examples of notifiable safety incidents.

For those not familiar, to qualify as notifiable, an incident must be

  • unintended or unexpected, and
  • have occurred during a regulated activity, and
  • have resulted or could result in death or severe or moderate harm. (This includes prolonged psychological harm that a service user has experienced or is likely to experience for a period of 28 days).

The tricky bit in my head is the unintended or unexpected, but if the equality impact assessment said it would all be fine, does this make it unexpected? And if it does, will there be thousands of apologies forthcoming?

I may not hold my breath.

Floisme · 18/04/2025 18:28

This was in 2023 so before the Supreme Court ruling but, just to show anyone wavering that it can be done, Wes Streeting offered a public apology to Rosie Duffield.

Guardian link because I know there are people who won't believe any other media:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/28/wes-streeting-apologises-to-labour-mp-rosie-duffield-who-felt-ostracised-due-to-gender-views

Chersfrozenface · 18/04/2025 18:01

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The Supreme Court doesn't hold consultations with anyone.

It's a court of appeal. It hears arguments from appellants and/or their lawyers.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 18/04/2025 17:50

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:46

yes, frequently. a list of how they normally do so is available online

I think that's probably on how they operate, rather than on actual cases...

ILikeDungs · 18/04/2025 17:50

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/04/2025 17:49

The actual Scottish government was representing the trans ‘side’ against 3 ordinary women! I mean what more do you want???

the law is clear and clarified, trans activists should be angry with stonewall for lying to them and everyone for so long about what the law said

Yes, insist on an apology from Stonewall

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/04/2025 17:49

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:46

yes, frequently. a list of how they normally do so is available online

The actual Scottish government was representing the trans ‘side’ against 3 ordinary women! I mean what more do you want???

the law is clear and clarified, trans activists should be angry with stonewall for lying to them and everyone for so long about what the law said

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:46

MrsJRHartley · 18/04/2025 17:44

Do the SC ever consult the public before considering points of law?

yes, frequently. a list of how they normally do so is available online

ILikeDungs · 18/04/2025 17:45

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

Here comes the DARVO

Who consulted women when men were told they could use women's spaces?

MrsJRHartley · 18/04/2025 17:44

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

Do the SC ever consult the public before considering points of law?

Kucinghitam · 18/04/2025 17:41

I think we're in for a loooooong wait.

A THREAD TO RECORD ALL THE APOLOGIES TO GC WOMEN SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING
GCAcademic · 18/04/2025 17:40

fieldsofflowers · 18/04/2025 17:35

considering there was no consultation of trans people by the uksc i rather think it’s that community owed the apology

The Scottish government in its collective and legal form was representing the trans community. Against three women. The trans community has consistently had the backing of every large public organisation in the land to unravel women's rights.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 18/04/2025 17:40

This letter was in The Times today, love her! (I know it’s not an apology)

“Sir, We told you so.
Kathleen Stock
Professor of philosophy at the University of Sussex 2003-21”