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Podcasts covering the SC judgment

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peakedtraybake · 18/04/2025 14:01

Could we have a thread of interesting podcasts?

Subpar from the FT. Starts with a close but no cigar summary from Robert Shrimsley, who mentions concerns about single sex spaces, but quickly moves on to trans rights being rolled back, and ultimately concludes that concern about trans rights issues is an import from the US. No evidence of understanding of women's concerns about males in our spaces nor of the silencing of women over this issue.

www.ft.com/political-fix

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Serriadh · 18/04/2025 18:33

The NewsAgents also have terminal AmericaBrain which I suspect has affected their thinking in this issue. They do tend to think whatever is happening in America is much more interesting/important than anything here.

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 18:13

RoundAndRoundTheTable · 18/04/2025 18:09

My view on AC was compounded when he went on TRIP US (which is excellent), covering for Katty Kay being on holiday and droned on at length about how she had no work ethic because he’d never taken a week off from his podcast. Made a mockery of his supposedly positive platform on mental health. (I also used to work for Stewart and have Views).

I was totally unsurprised by The Newsagents. Lewis Goodall always takes that position. I also find his “it doesn’t affect me” line totally disingenuous. You’re a journalist, understanding the issues from every side is literally your job. There was no “I’m not a steelworker in Scunthorpe” line. I was disappointed in Maitlis, she clearly gets it and is very capable of talking about the subject whatever her views. Speaks volumes that such a strong and prominent woman was still, presumably, self censoring.

I would love to hear more about the basis for your Views...

TeenToTwenties · 18/04/2025 18:13

Not a podcast, but Radio 4 PM tonight Friday 18th at 5pm had an ex judge (?) saying people are over interpreting the judgement....

RoundAndRoundTheTable · 18/04/2025 18:09

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 16:28

I loved it, I really did.

But they are so very bad on this issue - so smugly convinced they're right, despite clearly not having bothered their arses to understand the first thing about it - that I'm afraid it rather knocked the scales from my eyes.

If they're arrogantly wrong about this, I wondered, what else are they opining on that they know fuck all about? And why, therefore, would I listen to them? I can hear under-informed male entitlement anywhere.

So I stopped.

TRIP US, on the other hand, is fabulous. And TRIH with Tom and Dom. They all know to listen to women.

My view on AC was compounded when he went on TRIP US (which is excellent), covering for Katty Kay being on holiday and droned on at length about how she had no work ethic because he’d never taken a week off from his podcast. Made a mockery of his supposedly positive platform on mental health. (I also used to work for Stewart and have Views).

I was totally unsurprised by The Newsagents. Lewis Goodall always takes that position. I also find his “it doesn’t affect me” line totally disingenuous. You’re a journalist, understanding the issues from every side is literally your job. There was no “I’m not a steelworker in Scunthorpe” line. I was disappointed in Maitlis, she clearly gets it and is very capable of talking about the subject whatever her views. Speaks volumes that such a strong and prominent woman was still, presumably, self censoring.

BettyBooper · 18/04/2025 17:42

The Real Science of Sport podcast has been supporting women's sports for ages and the latest one has an interview with Helen Joyce. A couple of slightly frustrating comments in it, but overall very good.

Datun · 18/04/2025 17:37

JoyousEagle · 18/04/2025 17:09

She did a little bit when he said something like “the main danger for women comes from biological men, not trans women” (which is obviously a nonsensical sentence since the one pre-requisite for being a trans woman is that you are a biological man).

It also absolutely infuriated me how he kept saying things like “if you’re trans it means you live as a woman” “if you have a GRC it’s because you want to live as a woman”. Only about once did he add “… or a man” at the end. Listening to it you’d half think trans men didn’t exist. They were completely ignored.

“the main danger for women comes from biological men, not trans women

Infuriating, and not a little stupid.

It's like saying the main danger comes from biological men, not men who are Scorpios.

HesSoBadHesGood · 18/04/2025 17:35

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Datun · 18/04/2025 17:35

Mollyollydolly · 18/04/2025 16:28

I don't listen to TRIP anymore. They're misogynists both of them and I was a massive Rory Stewart fan. I used to think I was learning from them, but now I just don't trust them on anything because the one subject I know about and could challenge them on they were absolutely and utterly woeful.

but now I just don't trust them on anything because the one subject I know about and could challenge them on they were absolutely and utterly woeful.

this. It's a massive litmus test. When you know as much as we do about this issue, watching men opine about it in ignorance really does make you see them differently.

Datun · 18/04/2025 17:25

PencilsInSpace · 18/04/2025 16:15

He was chair from 2007-2012. The EA came in in 2010 and the statutory code in 2011 so this all happened on his watch.

Thanks, pencils, and hi !! ❤️

LittleBigHead · 18/04/2025 17:14

But they are so very bad on this issue - so smugly convinced they're right, despite clearly not having bothered their arses to understand the first thing about it - that I'm afraid it rather knocked the scales from my eyes.

Also @teawamutu remember when Stuart opined that under the current Taliban rule, Afghanistan was now a safe country?

I could not believe how thick he is when he said that.

LittleBigHead · 18/04/2025 17:09

TRIP will be smug dismissal and sad-face

Two Matts was good, but why haven't they said all this before? And why haven't they had Jo Phoenix, or Kath Stock, or Akua Reindorf or many other experts on this I could name on as guests?

NewsAgents was mostly Lewis Goodall pontificating. He has no skin in the game so he could just shut up for once. He rarely does ...

I'll repeat here what I've said on the Woman's Hour thread:

RedFem.

Listen, subscribe, donate. You'll love Jen Isaakson's and Hannah Berelli's rants. They are wonderful, if chaotic! Berelli did a fascinating analysis of social media and TRA extremism for the LGB Alliance a couple of years ago.

Geoff Norcott What Most People Think is good straightforward lovable blokey common sense on the judgement. I'm just listening to the diuvine Andrew Doyle on the Spiked podcast at the moment.

I'm waiting for the Lesbian Project podcast on the case, but I guess that Julie Bindel and Kath Stock are a bit busy (or very hungover), as well as Andrew Gold's Heretics.

And maybe also from the US heterodox lot: Heterodorx, Meghan Daum, Unspeakable, and maybe Josh Szeps Uncomfortable Conversations in Australia. Szeps did an OK interview with Sall Grover recently - she was fabulous, he didn't quite get it - or was playing Devil's advocate rather clumsily.

I get through a LOT of podcasts when I'm doing my daily walking commute of an hour each way ...

HesSoBadHesGood · 18/04/2025 17:09

Tom Slater of Spiked!:

"The Terfs have shown everyone the way, you need to be courageous, you need to be committed, you need to fight this on every conceivable front, you need to let those smears and deplatformings bounce off you..."

JoyousEagle · 18/04/2025 17:09

ForAzureSeal · 18/04/2025 14:09

Newsagents tried to do it. Emily Maitlis was attempting to provide the nuanced view, John Sopel feeling a bit uncomfortable and then - of course - Lewis Goodall got all on his Millennial high horse about the "frothing" media (in a very frothing manner) and entirely missed the point of the judgement. I was begging for Emily to come back in to pull him up but she didn't. Disappointing.

She did a little bit when he said something like “the main danger for women comes from biological men, not trans women” (which is obviously a nonsensical sentence since the one pre-requisite for being a trans woman is that you are a biological man).

It also absolutely infuriated me how he kept saying things like “if you’re trans it means you live as a woman” “if you have a GRC it’s because you want to live as a woman”. Only about once did he add “… or a man” at the end. Listening to it you’d half think trans men didn’t exist. They were completely ignored.

SionnachRuadh · 18/04/2025 16:59

I'll be interested to see if it makes it across the Atlantic. I often listen to Megyn Kelly who's been consistently great on this - and entertainingly tore John Oliver a new one the other day.

HesSoBadHesGood · 18/04/2025 16:53

Mollyollydolly · 18/04/2025 16:44

Not a podcast and might have been posted elsewhere but it's so angry and acerbic it made me laugh out loud so I'm sharing. I used to despise Brendan O'Neill, I don't anymore.
www.spiked-online.com/2025/04/17/the-hilarious-meltdown-of-men-who-think-theyre-women/

I was just about to post that! Instead I will give you this:

CurlewKate · 18/04/2025 16:52

Wondering what Electoral Dysfunction might make of it. I’m not prepared to get into bed with The Telegraph just because I might agree with them on this issue…..

Mollyollydolly · 18/04/2025 16:44

Not a podcast and might have been posted elsewhere but it's so angry and acerbic it made me laugh out loud so I'm sharing. I used to despise Brendan O'Neill, I don't anymore.
www.spiked-online.com/2025/04/17/the-hilarious-meltdown-of-men-who-think-theyre-women/

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 16:28

Bluenose1966 · 18/04/2025 16:24

Funny how we are all different as I really like The Rest Is Politics and The Rest is Politics Leading.
Never used to be fussed on either Rory or Alastair but think it is the most entertaining and informative podcast I listen to.

I loved it, I really did.

But they are so very bad on this issue - so smugly convinced they're right, despite clearly not having bothered their arses to understand the first thing about it - that I'm afraid it rather knocked the scales from my eyes.

If they're arrogantly wrong about this, I wondered, what else are they opining on that they know fuck all about? And why, therefore, would I listen to them? I can hear under-informed male entitlement anywhere.

So I stopped.

TRIP US, on the other hand, is fabulous. And TRIH with Tom and Dom. They all know to listen to women.

Mollyollydolly · 18/04/2025 16:28

I don't listen to TRIP anymore. They're misogynists both of them and I was a massive Rory Stewart fan. I used to think I was learning from them, but now I just don't trust them on anything because the one subject I know about and could challenge them on they were absolutely and utterly woeful.

Sausagenbacon · 18/04/2025 16:27

I probably stopped listening the same time as you teawamatu.
But, in the intervening period, I'd be interested to see if they have modified.

peakedtraybake · 18/04/2025 16:25

I also haven't listened to TRIP in months/years due to their pathetic and wilful ignorance on this. I might tune in to hear whether they dismiss the judgment as unkind, TERFish and simplistic too. I'd guess they'll say that they have always agreed with this reasonable interpretation of the EA and if only women had taken a less shrill tone on all this, any nastiness could have been avoided.

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Bluenose1966 · 18/04/2025 16:24

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 16:19

Jesus, I'm afraid you're going to be very disappointed then.

Rory is wet and hand wringing (his comprehension of women's concerns is encapsulated by observing how much better Afghanistan is under this incarnation of the Taliban).

Alistair is aggressive, sneery and dismissive but identifies as well-informed because mypart erfiona and his silly handmaiden daughter have assured him it's all lovely and all women who aren't nasty gammons are happy to share with the lovely tranz.

No, I don't listen to them any more. Yes, I'm pretty salty about it.

Funny how we are all different as I really like The Rest Is Politics and The Rest is Politics Leading.
Never used to be fussed on either Rory or Alastair but think it is the most entertaining and informative podcast I listen to.

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 16:19

Sausagenbacon · 18/04/2025 15:25

I love the FT but it's an utterly lost cause on this.
Waiting for The Rest is Politics.

Jesus, I'm afraid you're going to be very disappointed then.

Rory is wet and hand wringing (his comprehension of women's concerns is encapsulated by observing how much better Afghanistan is under this incarnation of the Taliban).

Alistair is aggressive, sneery and dismissive but identifies as well-informed because mypart erfiona and his silly handmaiden daughter have assured him it's all lovely and all women who aren't nasty gammons are happy to share with the lovely tranz.

No, I don't listen to them any more. Yes, I'm pretty salty about it.

Mollyollydolly · 18/04/2025 16:15

Trevor Phillips is interesting and shows how things changed over the last decade or so. He's now regarded by many on the left as being on the right. Didn't they kick him out of Labour at some point?

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