"Trans women ARE biological women"

Loving the direction this thread has taken 🤣

They say laughter is the best medicine and this is doing me no end of good. And I agree with pp - we DEFINITELY don’t want EHRC p*ss protestor airing his undies (or anything else) in public.

For the millionth time…
Sex is binary (yes, even in medicine). There is no need to talk about chromosomal sex, endocrine sex etc etc. Humans are mammals whose reproductive systems develop embryologically along one of two pathways depending on whether they are going to be producers of small mobile gametes or large immobile gametes.
We inherit DNA from both parents. For convenience this is stored as chromosomes. From our mothers that will be an X chromosome. From our fathers an X or Y. The presence of absence of the Y instructs the route of embryological development from a bipotential gonad (can become either ovary or testes) to either Mullerian route (no Y, becomes ovary) or Wolffian route (Y present, becomes testes). Embryological development proceeds and after puberty sexual maturity is reached but the process starts at conception and the development of gonadal tissues, hormones, everything follows on from there.

For a small number of people there is an issue in the pathway. Perhaps part of the Y chromosome gets attached to an X chromosome during meiosis (cellular replication after fertilisation). Perhaps there is an extra chromosome or a missing chromosome. Perhaps there is a failure of gonadal tissue to form properly. Perhaps the hormone receptors or the enzymes that act on those hormones don’t act properly. All of those things mean that in a tiny number of cases sex is not as clear as xx/xy or hormones, and that is precisely why that is not how we categorise sex. It is about which gamete the body is designed to produce. Failure to be able to do so does not mean those people are some new type of human or new sex. It means there’s been an issue in the process and things have turned out differently. There are other conditions where this happens (other trisomies, non disjunction etc) but they happen on chromosomes not linked to sex so the features are different. We don’t say people with Down Syndrome, Edward Syndrome or Patau Syndrome are somehow a new type of human because to do so would be both offensive and absurd.
To make the same judgement on sex is also nonsensical and absurd but it’s been used that way because some people for a whole variety of reasons don’t want to be the sex they are and are unhappy that that can’t change so we get this bizarre discussion about chromosomal sex or hormonal sex as if these things exist separate from each other and have anything to do with what “gender” someone may or may not identify as.

Lovely men who are no threat to women should be in men's spaces setting an example for less lovely men and holding the line.

I'm sure we all know lovely men who are no threat to women. They still don't belong in women's spaces and as they are lovely and no threat to women, they understand why and don't take it as an insult or affront or act of insanity. Why on earth would they?

I know two trans identified males. Both already had problems, mainly in terms of mental health but also some physical health conditions. Identifying as transgender will solve precisely none of these issues. If anything, it will exacerbate them.

They are often extremely annoying nowadays. I avoid them as much as possible.

This is the kind of thing that really gets on my nerves. The idea behind it is that if I met a transwoman I would immediately fall on my knees and repent the delusion that I was a human being with rights, quickly followed by fully embracing my true purpose as a support animal for the Glorious One. It's not going to happen.

I agree that some things should never be aired in court. The piss protestors' underwear, for example.

I seriously do wonder if we're going to have to take a court case all the bloody way through to the Supreme Court just to have it clearly established that sex is binary, and all the alternative burble doesn't change that. It's one of the untied threads and there will be some who can't let it go until this is also established beyond argument.

Yes, that word absolutely nails many of the TRA posts I've read since Wednesday.
Desperate.

Utterly desperate.

I would literally take annual leave to watch the proceedings.

I hope not everything aired in court @Kucinghitam

I would contribute to that crowdfunder because it'd be great to have it all aired in court 🍿

buys shares in popcorn

The Paw Patrol HQ?

I'm a woman. And because of that I've never had to 'feminise my body'. It is a female body, always was, always will be, archaeologists, bones. etc etc etc . . . . .

Continue discussions somewhere a bit more grownup than Reddit?

Bless their hearts. The level of entitlement, outrage, and denial in the face of reality is almost impressive but collectively they’re still a brain cell short of a pair.

How many posters do we see who post the sentence ‘they are not male /a man anymore’ when talking about their lovely lovely friend?

Oh no. Whatever shall we do?

But of course they came for biological sex! They started that one way back. They used to stick to deconstructing it linguistically. Now they are trying to smoosh it out of existence to use the old ‘our hormones are just like women’s so therefore we are women’.

If they can deconstruct it enough maybe some people will still believe them.

I rather like the phrase “rap it up” which I might begin to employ, if only to irritate my grandchildren. I will say I saw it on Reddit.

I am not biologically or scientifically or physically male. No matter how they rap it up I feminised my body. Someone could argue that atleast my meat vessel is now androgynous or some form of intersex. Woman would be infinitely simpler to describe who I am as a person.

*vomits

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/aQ1X5u7Lo0

Absolutely. When people bring up that they don't like the term cisgender, remind them that it was them that initiated a conversation about gender and the terms are trans and cis gender.

Also, don't call them gender criticals, that's a nice term to normalise their behaviour. They're transphobes, or if you want, bigots.

That thread is hilarious. The tantrums.