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"Trans women ARE biological women"

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TangenitalContrivance · 18/04/2025 10:09

I see this argument and comment more and more the last few weeks and hugely over the last 3 days.

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k1tliv/trans_women_are_biological_women/

This statement, and the comments underneath it absolutely baffle me.

The approach, one that I am sure will only work with a minority of the people who said TWAW, is to undermine the definition of words, yet again, and deliberately cloud the water when it comes to speaking clearly and using terms that everyone agrees with

I have seen it said in more places than Reddit however, and by respected people

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babybelwax · 18/04/2025 11:23

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 18/04/2025 10:53

There’s a female doctor arguing that biological sex “only matters to you and sometimes your doctor” and so it’s wrong to say TWANW. As if the NHS wasn’t fucked enough.

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Was that that kooky dr on tiktok? I was baffled by what she was going on about and as with lots of these people it's a shame as I enjoy her content!

Coffeeishot · 18/04/2025 11:22

skippy67 · 18/04/2025 10:12

They're not though. They're men.
No debate to be had. Don't get drawn into the nonsense that tries to say otherwise.

This, don't get drawn into it.

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 11:21

The sooner it's linked to mental health rather than physical health the better. We don't pander to any other type of delusions whether it's religious, anorexia, or "I am Napoleon" although I sometimes wonder if it's deeply rooted in sexism. If more women had stated this originally it would have been described as mass hysteria (like the satanic sacrifices a few decades ago) but because it was mostly men in the beginning... well, men are NEVER hysterical are they?

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 11:21

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 18/04/2025 11:12

I don’t understand what they’re trying to get at - surely not every trans women has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone pre-meds?

Its nothing to do with estrogen, nothing at all.

It's about feeling like a woman. That's it, that's the only thing.

vandelier · 18/04/2025 11:18

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 18/04/2025 11:12

I don’t understand what they’re trying to get at - surely not every trans women has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone pre-meds?

It's not the estrogen it's what's in the brain matter.

Gettingbysomehow · 18/04/2025 11:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/04/2025 10:23

I saw a clip on YouTube of a young man saying he was a woman and he was obviously biological because he was a human, so therefore he was a biological woman. You can't argue against that level of stupid, perhaps he'll grow out the ignorance.

Fucking hell. Does this madness never end 🙄

DeanElderberry · 18/04/2025 11:17

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 10:16

And clouds are candyfloss.

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I was going to say you are WRONG and that clouds are ice cream castles in the air, but I suppose I should try to see both sides.

Bingbopboomboomboombopbam · 18/04/2025 11:12

I don’t understand what they’re trying to get at - surely not every trans women has higher levels of estrogen than testosterone pre-meds?

GCAcademic · 18/04/2025 11:10

Luckily the law now categorically states otherwise so we don't need to spend another second giving this insanity any attention.

Greyskybluesky · 18/04/2025 11:08

AllPlayedOut · 18/04/2025 11:03

Anyone who believes that has wasted their years in medical school and is not fit to practise medicine.

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If he was in a role in private industry and made an equally nonsensical comment relating to his job, he would more than likely be managed out the door pronto.

How can NHS Fife possibly allow him to stay after this?

(Sorry, derailing the thread a bit. But that statement in the tribunal left me speechless)

AllPlayedOut · 18/04/2025 11:03

Greyskybluesky · 18/04/2025 10:43

I thought it was extremely concerning when he said that. Not just laughable, but genuinely concerning. He's a doctor, FGS.

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Anyone who believes that has wasted their years in medical school and is not fit to practise medicine.

Waitwhat23 · 18/04/2025 11:02

It reminds me of when my small child insists (and my God, she's stubborn) that something I know is incorrect, is correct.

And I'm not talking about debatable stuff, I'm meaning stuff like wood comes from trees or the earth is round or, I dunno, cows and pigs are not the same animal.

We gently explain, giving examples, looking at books or other sources, etc etc and are met with a wall of just complete denial.

After a while, you have to give up in the face of such determined denialism.

But she's less than 5. She'll grow up and learn and realise all these things.

I suspect the truly 'I am a biological women because I say I am' lot won't ever grow out of it. It's a whole different level.

In adults no less.

MarieDeGournay · 18/04/2025 11:01

myplace · 18/04/2025 10:46

The biological woman because human not robot argument needs a ‘nice try, but no!’, answer.

They are not that stupid. They know they are trying it on. It’s a childish attempt like claiming that actually I can have another bag of crisps for lunch, because the packet I had at 11am wasn’t actually my lunch, so…

I am biological. Shergar is biological, therefore....... 🐎

andtheworldrollson · 18/04/2025 10:57

Sone people believe it but most people who do usually think that the person doesn’t have a dick

lady69 · 18/04/2025 10:56

I’d call it gaslighting but it is too pathetic for that. It’s just laughably wrong and the ones saying it are in la la land.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 18/04/2025 10:53

Greyskybluesky · 18/04/2025 10:43

I thought it was extremely concerning when he said that. Not just laughable, but genuinely concerning. He's a doctor, FGS.

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There’s a female doctor arguing that biological sex “only matters to you and sometimes your doctor” and so it’s wrong to say TWANW. As if the NHS wasn’t fucked enough.

PerkingFaintly · 18/04/2025 10:51

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 10:38

Can we do a little laugh and 'good one, but seriously...' now?

I believe we can.Grin

myplace · 18/04/2025 10:46

The biological woman because human not robot argument needs a ‘nice try, but no!’, answer.

They are not that stupid. They know they are trying it on. It’s a childish attempt like claiming that actually I can have another bag of crisps for lunch, because the packet I had at 11am wasn’t actually my lunch, so…

Greyskybluesky · 18/04/2025 10:43

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 10:34

Dr Beth Upton from the Sandie case has actually said this in court.

It's what happens when you are in a bubble and everything is re-enforced by those around you, everything is re-enforced.

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I thought it was extremely concerning when he said that. Not just laughable, but genuinely concerning. He's a doctor, FGS.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 10:40

It doesn't matter what they say.

The law of the land, as confirmed by the Supreme Court, disagrees.

teawamutu · 18/04/2025 10:38

Can we do a little laugh and 'good one, but seriously...' now?

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 10:34

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/04/2025 10:23

I saw a clip on YouTube of a young man saying he was a woman and he was obviously biological because he was a human, so therefore he was a biological woman. You can't argue against that level of stupid, perhaps he'll grow out the ignorance.

Dr Beth Upton from the Sandie case has actually said this in court.

It's what happens when you are in a bubble and everything is re-enforced by those around you, everything is re-enforced.

JKRismyPatronus · 18/04/2025 10:34

What really baffles me is how so many scientists and people like Richard Dawkins for instance are so transphobic

This was one of the comments that made me chuckle. I wonder why so many scientists don't believe transwomen are biological women.......it's a real puzzler 🤔

Moonshinerso · 18/04/2025 10:32

Since the ruling the arguments have been both this is a disaster for trans people and it makes no difference because you can trans your biology.

The opposing arguments from the same side are bizarre.

Floisme · 18/04/2025 10:30

I think Dr Upton used the same line in the NHS Fife tribunal. ('I'm a woman and I'm biological, not a robot etc')

I would also avoid getting sucked in. If some people wish to demonstrate their idiocy to the whole world, who are we to try and stop them?