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Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:25

Waitwhat23 · 18/04/2025 15:21

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim aka Russell's Teapot

Read at all my previous comments, I have provided enough links
Everything I have said is easily accessible to all on the net
The level of ignorance is quite astounding

I assumed everyone knew of this condition, it really surprises me that they don’t

Pyjamatimenow · 18/04/2025 15:23

Surely the people who are intersex or have a dsd need their own categories and spaces? Surely if you genuinely had those issues not being able to use the ladies toilet is the least of your issues? All the people I’ve seen on the news and social media protesting about this are just trans, they don’t have these medical issues.

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:22

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 15:18

Yes… some mammals aren’t obviously dimorphic, but they are all male or female with a pair needed for reproduction.
The issue of dimorphism is relevant to humans because the differences in our physicality impacts on issues such as sports, VAGWG etc.

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Yes… some mammals aren’t obviously dimorphic, but they are all male or female

Incorrect

In biology, a hermaphrodite can have both male and female reproductive organs, allowing it to produce both male and female gametes. This is also known as bisexuality in organisms. Some hermaphrodites, like simultaneous hermaphrodites, have both reproductive systems at the same time, while others, like sequential hermaphrodites, can change sex during their lifetime

Waitwhat23 · 18/04/2025 15:21

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim aka Russell's Teapot

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:18

BettyBooper · 18/04/2025 15:12

Right where does it say that this individual also has functioning ovaries?

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Some can, look it up, All info is easily accessible with a quick search

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 15:18

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:05

Mammals are sexually dimorphic

Not all mammals are sexually dimorphic, meaning that males and females of a species do not always differ in size or other features. While some mammalian species exhibit significant differences between the sexes, others show little to no dimorphism

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Yes… some mammals aren’t obviously dimorphic, but they are all male or female with a pair needed for reproduction.
The issue of dimorphism is relevant to humans because the differences in our physicality impacts on issues such as sports, VAGWG etc.

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:18

spannasaurus · 18/04/2025 15:13

But can these sperm producers also produce eggs as you claimed

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Some can

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:17

BettyBooper · 18/04/2025 15:10

I've read this and I found nothing at all that supports your assertion that a human can have both sets of functioning gonads. Please could you indicate where you think it does?

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Jesus, inform yourself and look it up

By the way, I’m a woman and very happy with the outcome from a few days ago but there are some very ignorant people making comments in the last couple of days , if you are going to come out with ‘statements’ on the net you need to have your facts straight
All this info is readily accessible, you just need to look it up!

spannasaurus · 18/04/2025 15:13

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:11

individuals with true hermaphroditism (ovotesticular disorder of sex development) can have functioning testicular tissue. This means they can produce testosterone and potentially sperm

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But can these sperm producers also produce eggs as you claimed

BettyBooper · 18/04/2025 15:12

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:11

individuals with true hermaphroditism (ovotesticular disorder of sex development) can have functioning testicular tissue. This means they can produce testosterone and potentially sperm

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Right where does it say that this individual also has functioning ovaries?

Signalbox · 18/04/2025 15:12

Yes there have been certain trans activists arguing variations on "TW are AHF" for ages despite other trans activists arguing that "nobody is saying you can actually change sex". But it's definitely getting worse.

FlowchartRequired · 18/04/2025 15:11

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 14:52

hermaphrodites can produce both eggs and sperm, but not necessarily at the same time. Some hermaphrodites, called simultaneous hermaphrodites, have both functional male and female reproductive systems at the same time, allowing them to produce sperm and ova concurrently. Others, known as sequential hermaphrodites, may switch between producing sperm and eggs at different stages of their life cycle

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AI-generated content does not count as evidence.

Post actual scientific evidence regarding human beings, not this weak and unconvincing rubbish.

ETA - Just seen that an article has been linked to. I can't see any reference to one individual producing both sperm and eggs.

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:11

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 18/04/2025 15:04

Non functioning testes though leading to infertility so not fully functional as you initially claimed.

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individuals with true hermaphroditism (ovotesticular disorder of sex development) can have functioning testicular tissue. This means they can produce testosterone and potentially sperm

BettyBooper · 18/04/2025 15:10

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:01

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

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I've read this and I found nothing at all that supports your assertion that a human can have both sets of functioning gonads. Please could you indicate where you think it does?

maximalistmaximus · 18/04/2025 15:06

It’s still hard to sink in. Such a long time coming.

would this even have happened without Mumsnet feminists?

Ecocool · 18/04/2025 15:06

TangenitalContrivance · 18/04/2025 10:09

I see this argument and comment more and more the last few weeks and hugely over the last 3 days.

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1k1tliv/trans_women_are_biological_women/

This statement, and the comments underneath it absolutely baffle me.

The approach, one that I am sure will only work with a minority of the people who said TWAW, is to undermine the definition of words, yet again, and deliberately cloud the water when it comes to speaking clearly and using terms that everyone agrees with

I have seen it said in more places than Reddit however, and by respected people

"respected people" Who?

Wouldn't be someone I would respect if they come out with guff like that.

Kucinghitam · 18/04/2025 15:06

Those hermaphroditic goalposts are just galloping around the pitch at astounding speed, aren’t they?

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 15:05

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:03

Humans, There is a lot of literature out there on the subject, the below is just one example

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

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You've misunderstood that article.

Some hermaphrodites, called simultaneous hermaphrodites, have both functional male and female reproductive systems at the same time,
This is what you said. No human has ever had a functional male and female reproduction system.

nutmeg7 · 18/04/2025 15:05

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:01

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

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Functioning gonads, not derivatives and bits of tissue from partly developed gonads as discussed in the article.

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:05

SionnachRuadh · 18/04/2025 14:59

Humans are mammals. Mammals are sexually dimorphic. That's just basic biology and edge cases of chromosomal abnormalities don't disprove it.

Tortoiseshell cats are almost always female. But not always. Very rarely you find male torties, but they're invariably sterile. Whatever gene causes the tortoiseshell coat in females, is a DSD when it appears in males, the cat equivalent of Klinefelter's.

Cats don't have three sexes. Nor do humans.

Mammals are sexually dimorphic

Not all mammals are sexually dimorphic, meaning that males and females of a species do not always differ in size or other features. While some mammalian species exhibit significant differences between the sexes, others show little to no dimorphism

frenchnoodle · 18/04/2025 15:04

Nice derail

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 18/04/2025 15:04

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:01

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

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Non functioning testes though leading to infertility so not fully functional as you initially claimed.

spannasaurus · 18/04/2025 15:04

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:00

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

humans can be hermaphrodites, though it's a rare condition. This means an individual has both ovarian and testicular tissue, and it's often associated with chromosomal mosaicism or abnormal cleavage involving the X and Y chromosomes. The external genitalia may also show traits from both sexes

The facts are out there

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And you tell me which of those articles state that someone can produce both gametes rather than just having both ovarian and testicular tissue

Hastentoadd · 18/04/2025 15:03

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 14:58

Are we talking about humans or snails or clownfish?

No , if you are going to state something that is clearly wrong then you need to prove it. Links please. Otherwise you are talking shite.

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Humans, There is a lot of literature out there on the subject, the below is just one example

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/true-hermaphroditism#:~:text=Sometimes%20people%20are%20born%20with,other%20half%20being%2046:XY.

Oblomov25 · 18/04/2025 15:03

No they aren't, as declared yesterday finally.