Can we have that card checked please, I didn't hear Intersex called, I may have missed it, but you can't have house without that one. 😁

Its interesting you believe I come from reddit which I’ve never been on. Says much more about you and your beliefs. I’m pretty normal and haven’t been on mumsnet long - is it a cult? 😐

No I do believe it :) I also believe there is a patriarchy (based on gender) and we need equality for all.

My god that reddit thread melted my brain. How are people so delusional? Is it poor education in schools or because of online echo chambers?

Not lively - depressing.

It's depressing that people can come to mumsnet and think all the women here are feeble minded and uneducated.

It's depressing how many people in general are uneducated about biology and sex unless reddit or porn sites explain it.

I bet if you wanted a baby, kitten or a puppy you would know which sexes you would need to make it happen.

Ah, Schrodinger's TRA. Where they decide how serious they were about it depending on how badly they get destroyed. A 2025 genderist variation of "I knew all along, I was just testing you!"

Its been lively discussion - I’ve enjoyed it 🙂

'Gender exists, sex doesn’t.'

And this, readers, is a great example of what believing pseudoscience and flawed theories does to your brain.

Don't do it!

Just wanted to say Kucinghitam.... very nice bigly letter work you have been doing over past couple of days. Some of it is very artistic!

If they’d actually read the whole report from the Judicial Review from the court they’d understand why it is beneficial to trans people, particularly transmen, why there is a distinction between biological sex and certified sex, this judgement protected rights for everyone.

And that being the case, gender should be entirely definable. But as it's totally not patriarchal, it certainly won't be just a collection of sexist and repressive stereotypes, like "a female gender is wearing dresses and lipstick and being sexually submissive".

So... what is it?

People believe all sorts of things. Thankfully the Supreme Court has more impact. Sex is binary.

It’s not gender stereotyping, it’s accurately depicting physiological traits displayed by men.

If she had said “by your love of football, your inability to remember wedding anniversaries or to empty the dishwasher and your habitual garb of trousers and shirt” it would be gender stereotyping.

Maybe the entitlement verges on stereotyping, I’ll give you that.

Oh dear. We have cycled around to the same tired trope again.

Female and male people have body cues that when perceived in combination over a period of time make miscategorising sex highly unlikely.

There is a greater chance of female people correctly sexing male people, it seems.

I think there is great danger in those who either cannot perceive sex correctly or performatively cannot believing that their inability is one the general population also has.

This is the stage I have reached with those males who scold us: Go and be stunning and brave in the male loos, sport etc, and put your energy into charming your fellow men into accepting you for what you are - someone with a difference sense of fashion to them. Raise money to establish refuges etc and stop harassing females. Move on with your life.

binky bunky bonkers

Ding, ding, ding! Well done player - choose your prize from the wonderful selection

I'm so sick of the "right side of history" stuff. To paraphrase Graham Linehan, if the right side of history means sterilising children, gaslighting women, forcing women to share intimate spaces with men, erasing safeguards, homosexuality and lesbianism, putting men in women's sports and spreading lies about biological reality, then history can fuck off.

Thank you for your honesty.

Gender exists, sex doesn’t.

This is The Right Side of History, dear lurkers.

No, that's what you do when you insist that a woman is anyone who wears a dress and lipstick, or that only "small, petite" women look like women. It's also only ever you lot who go on about genitals, even while you accuse everyone else of doing it.

The gaslighting and DARVO is just off the scale.

House!

As a small aside, I am so, so sick of genderists claiming that only "small, petite" women look like women, and then accusing everyone else of being patriarchal and sexist and unable to determine sex. I would ask them if they could hear themselves but it's been almost ten years of this crap...

I think thats called gender stereotyping. Maybe ask them to pull down their pants instead 🙄

You have this backwards (again)...

99.lots% of the time, and 100% of the time for trans people because it's a pre-requisite for being trans,, the person who always knows someone's biological sex is the someone themself.

Society, by and large, is supposed to use laws and social contracts to self-police.

If someone chooses to go somewhere they know they have no right to be, probably that will be recognised, maybe they will be challenged, but the expectation that women themselves must be able to police their spaces with 100% accuracy that is not a prerequisite to having a rule that says only women should be there, and more than the fact that people don't necessarily realise they have been stolen from means we can't make theft illegal.

Anyhow, ultimately, sex is about reproduction, whether a given sexed individual chooses to reproduce or not. It's what it is for, it is what shapes our female and our make bodies and what the secondary behavioral characteristics are about.

Reproducing the species. Using our sexed bodies to do so.