That’s a helpful last paragraph. I’m religious. I find people trying to argue that science proves religion is rubbish quite bewildering. It’s got very little to do with science.

Just found this "I meant to do that" on the MN menu of GIFs

I think the underlying issue is that's not really true at all. It's a misunderstanding of religious thought.

People believe in all kinds of unevidenced things, all thought systems are based on them - including scientific materialism. People that think they don't are on shakey ground.

And it's by no means a given that the only way to know things is material evidence - materialism, despite what some people may believe, is not a self-evident truth. Some might even say that it's logically incoherent due to that.

Gender ideology is supposedly based on material facts, but those objective facts can't be evidence. That's a failure, like other mistaken theories about the material world. It's also, arguably, not a very internally coherent theory.

Most religious systems, as well as many philosophical ones, are not about the material world, they are closer to mathematical thinking. So saying they are "evidenced" is a category error.

Oh, sweetheart... You're only around the 1000th tedious misogynistic teenager to think insulting women's intelligence is amusing. Just wait.

Raised by wolves after a plane crash in the mountains?

Good point.

"Professor of gibberish Judith Butler calls gender-critical feminism 'one of the dominant strains of fascism in our time'. It used to be alt-right wankers who called feminists ‘feminazis’. Now it’s nonbinary wankers. Two cheeks of the same arse."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/04/17/the-hilarious-meltdown-of-men-who-think-theyre-women/

I thought that was exactly where we are living and what we are doing right now.

I will stop now.

That's a very good idea.

It was not all for my own amusement

Yes, we know. As I think we've mentioned, we've been having this conversation for literally years and years and we have seen it all before, including the moustache-twirling this-has-all-amused-me and the final I-meant-to-do-that. Style it out, baby.

(I still don't believe this person has ever seen the inside of a changing room, though. Where would one be where there were only tiny, slim-built women and absolutely no others? Lilliput?)

I'd rather live in Flapdoodleland rebelling against Queen Butler and their Butlerian Queer Police.

I blame Enid Blyton. We have all gone up the Magic Faraway Tree, and are living in Oppositeland, where nothing makes sense. But happily we seem to be moving on. What next? I vote for Flapjackland.

The Matrix had nothing on the bonkersness of EB.

In Oppositeland?

🤣

I would if I were you. You have brought absolutely nothing new to the decade long discussion and have just regurgitated up old and discredited "ideas" . Next time you visit somewhere new try taking some time to read a few threads to understand the whole site better. Whatever the subject.

But my best advice? Don't teach your grandmother on how to suck eggs.

I dunno, I found it a very educational eye-opener to be informed, very authoritatively, that

'Gender exists, sex doesn’t.'

Assume you mean 'an eye opener to be on Mumsnet'?

Because for anyone who responded to you it's been more like a particularly tedious bout of deja vu. An eye-roller rather than -opener.

I will stop now. It was not all for my own amusement (though it has been amusing) and certainly an eye opener to mumsnet.

Ah That bingo card again. Cliche.

Yup, exactly - observe the "styling it out" thing ⬆️

👏 But that’s a crap imitation because I don’t type like that. It’s a bit more direct 😜 10 out of 10 for effort though. I’m flattered at the time you spent.

It is.

It's not specific to trans ideology, so I don't know whether it belongs on the bingo card, but the whole "I got absolutely served and now I'm going to pretend it was all for my amusement" moustache-twirling stuff is still pretty cliche.

100% @Kucinghitam

Oh my god.

You've just given me a horrible flashback from my very first uni seminar when I realised I'd made a terrible mistake.

You are quite amusing 😀

I reckon it's like intellectual masturbation.

"Does this hot cross bun exist or it is just an undefinable constellation of ingredients? I believe that the physical bun doesn't exist because there's more than one recipe, however the concept of a bun is solid and more real than the physical because my thoughts are so important..."

"What does tea really mean? There are so many kinds of tea, so it doesn't really exist and people who have got scalded are just soooo simplistic. But, my idea of tea - now that does exist and even if it's made of yew bark and nightshade, other people must drink it and declare it delicious..."

"Cats are a nebulous dogwhistle because biology is complex... there's this spectrum from chairs to cats, see how both have 4 legs? This means neither chairs nor cats exist, if you really understood quantum gravity like I do..."