Page 9 | What my NHS Trust have said about the Supreme Court verdict

dudsville · 18/04/2025 08:34

I'm off work, so I don't know if this what my Trust is saying, but I'm so annoyed that the issues are being kept together in this message. Womens rights are being clarified. Nothing to do with other people's rights.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 18/04/2025 08:31

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That’s an interesting interpretation of what the ruling said. It was my understanding that the judges specifically pointed out that the ruling was not a win of one group over another, but a clarification of what the law has always actually meant.

Do you have a different understanding?

TeenToTwenties · 18/04/2025 08:29

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But it wouldn't be odd to offer support to women who have had it confirmed they don't need to share single sex spaces with men, and apologise for having made them do so.

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 08:29

Thanks for the link x

LoudSnoringDog · 18/04/2025 08:29

We had a similar letter in my trust but the CEO didn’t mention seeking support from
the LGBT+ network and encouraged to approach the EDI team
it said it was reviewing policies/ procedures

nauticant · 18/04/2025 08:28

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 08:25

I don't claim to know much about this issue,but I'm glad of the ruling
I heard about a man running a rape crisis centre,and men being allowed in with women who had been raped ..was it Scotland..
I hope this will change ..will they remove the he man from running it now

They found he'd behaved disgracefully, but still didn't have the backbone to remove him, but eventually he decided it was impossible for him to remain in post:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2edeyzz0xmo

Hemmissus · 18/04/2025 08:27

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No-one offered us support when our rights were being impinged upon 😡

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 18/04/2025 08:26

Opinionpolecat · 18/04/2025 07:28

The NHS Trust I work at sent an e-mail to all staff yesterday talking about the Supreme Court ruling. They stated that the judges have said that “woman” in UK law is based on biological sex. They go on to say that they want to be clear the ruling does not change the fact that everyone is welcome in the Trust and that they are an inclusive organisation. They say everyone deserves respect and understanding including staff, patients and families. They understand that some staff members may feel they need support at this time and recommend the LGBT+ staff network where LGBT+ staff and allies can find support and advice.

It struck me that they think only LGBT+ plus staff and allies will need support and advice, and the reassurance that the trust is such an inclusive organisation. They say nothing about the fact their policies have discriminated against female staff and patients for many years. They don't even admit to it but say this wasn't their fault, it was due to NHS wide guidance and they offer no apology to female staff, patients and their allies about these years of discrimination. They say nothing about the fact that for many years some female staff and patients may not have felt welcome or included within the Trust. Have any other NHS staff had similar messages?

This is interesting (though unsurprising). I’m going to share over on the NHS audit thread, if that’s ok - we’re trying to keep track of responses to the ruling.

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 08:25

I don't claim to know much about this issue,but I'm glad of the ruling
I heard about a man running a rape crisis centre,and men being allowed in with women who had been raped ..was it Scotland..
I hope this will change ..will they remove the he man from running it now

Micaela64 · 18/04/2025 08:23

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Katkins17 · 18/04/2025 08:21

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/04/2025 07:41

Hopefully the outcome in the Fife & Darlington nurses cases will produce some apologies to women.
And when some of the NHS medics are tried and convicted for conducting brutal experimental surgery and drug regimes on young people that have led to their life long & life limiting health problems. Then presumably we'll see some of the NHS's famous non apologies.

TBH I really don't think that the Fife or Darlington NHS trusts have a leg to stand on after this ruling.
After being told that women mean “biological” they have been proved to have acted unlawfully and favoured men over their women staff.

I hope these nurses are feeling vindicated after this judgement.

nauticant · 18/04/2025 08:10

HoneymoonSouvenir · 18/04/2025 08:00

I am public sector, not NHS. There has been a similar message cascaded down from senior managers.

It acknowledges at least that there will be a rang of reactions to the message. They will wait for central CS to tell them what to do. But in the meantime they reassure us the org’s values remain unchanged and no policies will immediately change.

Not sure what values those are. Currently their values seem to have led to breaking the law and discriminating against women. So, I personally think our values might be a problem.

This is the response by Lloyds Bank:

“Thought I would come on here today with a note of support for our trans and non-binary colleagues on what I know will be an unsettling day following the UK Supreme Court decision,” he wrote on Lloyds’s Rainbow network, the bank’s internal group for LGBTQ+ people, according to messages reviewed by The Telegraph.
“Please know that we cherish and celebrate you and we remain committed to inclusivity. If you’re a line manager, please be mindful of the potential impact on members of your team and be available to them. We are here to listen and support.”
Sharon Doherty, the chief people and places officer at Lloyds, said in response to Mr Walton’s post: “Very well said ... Standing in solidarity at this very tough time.”

https://archive.ph/6FFKJ

CamillaMacauley · 18/04/2025 08:09

Had exactly the same message from my nhs trust. Joint statement from the trust “women’s group” and the lgbtqryga+ group. Can’t believe something which purports to be a women’s group has been so captured. Sad times.

all about wanting trans colleagues to feel safe, nothing about safety of women!

ValerieDoonican · 18/04/2025 08:09

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 07:54

I love my social media,I'm on ticktok far to much ,I tend to avoid trans issues as it just winds me up
But since the ruling every second post is by a trans person,bleeting away .
Trans women almost threatening, "saying well let's see how all your husband's like being in the men's toilets with me ,let's see how that goes ,all those men having a party in the men's toilets with me ,see how you like that "...
What the hell is that about

They think they're so irresistibly hot - remember they woman better than us, Andrea Long Chu style 🤢

Willandra · 18/04/2025 08:09

Rainbowpug

Thanks!

So it's hoping women feel threatened. Oh, no, lock up your husbands, dearies!😆

Freysimo · 18/04/2025 08:08

Mumteedum · 18/04/2025 07:41

Hope we'll get rid of the fear of mentioning women in the NHS. Chest feeders and people whose menstruate and all that crap.

I wonder who decided to use the wordings people who mensfruate, chest feeders etc? It must have come from some directive higher up if all NHS Trusts do it.

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 08:06

Willandra · 18/04/2025 08:03

Threatening to sexually harass men? To get back at women? FFS.

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No ,not threatening to sexually harassed them
It was like
Your husband's are not going to be able to control themselves with us using their bathroom now ..how do you like that .
There was a threatening element to the way it was wondered ,

BeardofHagrid · 18/04/2025 08:04

A bit off topic, but does “NHS trust” mean a hospital?

Willandra · 18/04/2025 08:03

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 07:54

I love my social media,I'm on ticktok far to much ,I tend to avoid trans issues as it just winds me up
But since the ruling every second post is by a trans person,bleeting away .
Trans women almost threatening, "saying well let's see how all your husband's like being in the men's toilets with me ,let's see how that goes ,all those men having a party in the men's toilets with me ,see how you like that "...
What the hell is that about

Threatening to sexually harass men? To get back at women? FFS.

HoneymoonSouvenir · 18/04/2025 08:00

I am public sector, not NHS. There has been a similar message cascaded down from senior managers.

It acknowledges at least that there will be a rang of reactions to the message. They will wait for central CS to tell them what to do. But in the meantime they reassure us the org’s values remain unchanged and no policies will immediately change.

Not sure what values those are. Currently their values seem to have led to breaking the law and discriminating against women. So, I personally think our values might be a problem.

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Opinionpolecat · 18/04/2025 08:00

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2025 07:45

It's all about maintaining the hostile environment for women to keep complaints about how women's rights have been violated to a minimum. They certainly are not going to admit liability cos £££.

They should be saying "We understand that the ruling has caused distress to some and is an acknowledgement that the rights of others have not always been upheld as they should have within the law. We stress the law has not changed; we remain committed to equality for all and will work with all parties to uphold equality of all staff. If you have any concerns or feel this has affected you in anyway please speak to HR. All concerns will be dealt with discreetly. We understand that this affects a large number of people in different ways. The trust understands that the privacy and dignity of all staff and patients remains paramount. Going forward our focus is on providing high quality standards of care for patients and ensuring all staff feel safe in their work environment. We expect all staff to remain professional and to treat others with respect and be sensitive to all surrounding this subject. We will issue updated guidance as soon as possible".

It should be neutral not dick pandering. It's ok to acknowledge some don't like and need reassurance but equally you need to stress that others have been let down and not had their rights upheld as they should be. And it should stress professionalism and respect but in no particular direction.

This is exactly what they should have said. I've considered replying but I've got bills to pay.

They're just signalling they still don't care about women even when the law tells them they have to.

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CarefulN0w · 18/04/2025 07:59

Dearg · 18/04/2025 07:49

Your version on how the statement ought to have been worded is spot on. Really resonates with me.

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Indeed. Any healthcare organisation should centre patients, not staff activists.

NeedToChangeName · 18/04/2025 07:56

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/04/2025 07:38

You can bank on it that had women not won we would not have had similar messages of support.

So true

RedToothBrush · 18/04/2025 07:55

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/04/2025 07:47

Of course, the NHS is fully aware of the sexual abuse / rape cases / women coerced to sleep alongside men in what should be single sex wards. Any apology to women for all that would be an admission that they've been caught up in this ideology and abandoned their responsibility to safeguard women and girls.
Their lawyers will be very keen to avoid that - as we see in every single NHS medical scandal

The NHS know exactly how to keep complaints down. They've had years perfecting it.

I remember writing to NHS Trusts about Bounty and them replying they'd never had any complaints. I'd deliberately picked Trusts to contact who MN users had shared particularly bad experiences about or had multiple complaints here.

Their attitude was there wasn't a problem if there wasn't a complaint.

Meanwhile MN was reflecting the opposite. Informal complaints made that were invisible or women who thought it was pointless cos no one would listen to them or because after having had a baby they were emotionally manipulated into just being grateful their baby was ok or were simply too busy with the baby to consider the stress of making a complaint.

Trusts know this problem. They know that women have many reasons why they don't complain. They know how to delegitimise complaints.

MN has literally told them about this pattern on numerous occasions. And yet nothing changes.

Rainbowpug · 18/04/2025 07:54

I love my social media,I'm on ticktok far to much ,I tend to avoid trans issues as it just winds me up
But since the ruling every second post is by a trans person,bleeting away .
Trans women almost threatening, "saying well let's see how all your husband's like being in the men's toilets with me ,let's see how that goes ,all those men having a party in the men's toilets with me ,see how you like that "...
What the hell is that about