What my NHS Trust have said about the Supreme Court verdict

I suspect some committed trusts may attempt to get around the ruling by providing only universal mixed sex spaces with full length doors. Sarah Montague, on Radio 4 yesterday suggested that all spaces could be named 'gendered' spaces rather than sex based spaces, for example, to get around the 'problem'.

You couldn't make this shit up. Astonishing!

Transwomen not wanting to change with men = they’re just trying to live their lives, completely fair, they need dignity, privacy comes first etc

women not wanting to change with men = “not everyone wants to have sex with you or see you with your bits out”

Absolutely agree. The silence would have been deafening.

Except that I believe they can’t - all trusts have signed up to a policy of eliminating mixed-sex accommodation. (They currently just “manage” this by allowing mixed-sex accommodation via a Stonewall interpretation of the word sex.)

If I remember correctly, just wards.

My trust sent a message out too. Of course either could be the same trust as for anonymity we probably don't want to say where we work!

I'll share the highlights

• Regardless of the ruling or judgement handed down, our commitment to inclusion, dignity, and respect for all — including our patients, our trans and nonbinary colleagues, friends and loved ones — remains unwavering.

• hate has no place here and everyone deserves to be recognised for who they are, to feel safe in their workplace, and to know they belong. That is not up for debate.

• We will be working to urgently review Trust policies to ensure that they remain legally compliant.

• if you witness or experience anything that doesn’t align with our values, I encourage you to speak up — we will listen, and we will act.

If I remember correctly, just wards.

Does that just relate to wards, though...or does it also relate to changing rooms and toilet facilities?

Except that I believe they can’t - all trusts have signed up to a policy of eliminating mixed-sex accommodation. (They currently just “manage” this by allowing mixed-sex accommodation via a Stonewall interpretation of the word sex.)

It's all about maintaining the hostile environment for women to keep complaints about how women's rights have been violated to a minimum. They certainly are not going to admit liability cos £££.

They should be saying "We understand that the ruling has caused distress to some and is an acknowledgement that the rights of others have not always been upheld as they should have within the law. We stress the law has not changed; we remain committed to equality for all and will work with all parties to uphold equality of all staff. If you have any concerns or feel this has affected you in anyway please speak to HR. All concerns will be dealt with discreetly. We understand that this affects a large number of people in different ways. The trust understands that the privacy and dignity of all staff and patients remains paramount. Going forward our focus is on providing high quality standards of care for patients and ensuring all staff feel safe in their work environment. We expect all staff to remain professional and to treat others with respect and be sensitive to all surrounding this subject. We will issue updated guidance as soon as possible".

It should be neutral not dick pandering. It's ok to acknowledge some don't like and need reassurance but equally you need to stress that others have been let down and not had their rights upheld as they should be. And it should stress professionalism and respect but in no particular direction.

I suspect some committed trusts may attempt to get around the ruling by providing only universal mixed sex spaces with full length doors. Sarah Montague, on Radio 4 yesterday suggested that all spaces could be named 'gendered' spaces rather than sex based spaces, for example, to get around the 'problem'.

You couldn't make this shit up. Astonishing!

Is this real language used in nhs. Chest feeder? Sounds like something out of a fish tank!

You are truly comedy gold! 😂Keep it coming!

A significant portion of the trans populace exhibits narcissistic traits. There are sex based differences with trans id men being more likely to have a Cluster B personality disorder (PD) diagnosis and their female counterparts - depressive PDs. All this is to say that those trans id men boasting about stealing your man are vain and out of touch with reality. If you tell them they really aren't all that they'll spit back saying you're jealous (old, ugly, more mannish than they are). They tend to be extremely superficial and genuinely believe they are more attractive than actual women. They are unable to see things from another's perspective and have a shaky Theory of Mind. Yet another reason why they're so insufferable.

The NHS has really left itself wide open to now being sued by staff they have silenced, bullied and told were in the wrong for trying to object to trans people in changing rooms and toilets.
I understand ignorance of the law is no defence

No, they don't need apologies for being too closed minded to be in the same spaces as trans women, most of which are nice people if you'd actually take the time to get to know some instead of just letting the Daily Mail tell you what to think (as someone with trans friends)

You can bank on it that had women not won we would not have had similar messages of support.

The outcome of the ruling is a win for TERFs who won't have to be in the same spaces as trans women anymore who they seemingly think are all desperate to have sex with them