Is anyone else surprised that so-called feminists still think that TWAW?

Anyone remember the workshop given about 'breaking the cotton ceiling' I.e. how to get into lesbians nickers as a trans woman

This is why safeguarding exists.

Children are vulnerable so we don't give all adults access to children in case some wish to do them harm

Women are vulnerable therefore we don't give all men access to women in case some wish to do them harm

The argument of 'well not all trans women are sexual offenders therefore we shouldn't ban trans women from access to vulnerable women' could be extended to 'well not all adults are paedophiles therefore if a kids nursery is held in a church hall we should let any adult in to spend time with them as they may just like playing with kids'

And for those who say 'well there is a difference between real trans women and fake trans women who put on a dress in order to get access to women'- I am sure there is but unfortunately there is no way of telling the difference as they look the same. Good men stay out so bad men stand out.

I think that is how it is being interpreted, but after the 2022 Haldane judgement it was already settled law that somebody without a GRC had no legal right to be regarded as the opposite sex, and most trans people don’t have a GRC.

It was already clear that e.g. NHS Fife had not fulfilled their duty to provide single sex changing facilities.

Ironically, ‘MAGA’ does offer an explanation for some of the more brain dead reactions to the judgement.

Trump makes appealing arguments that are often intellectually incoherent - e.g. on tariffs. but ‘if you are explaining you are losing’, and people just switch off when they find an argument difficult or uncomfortable.

I’ve been pleasantly surprised that only one person on my social media has said anything. Not only does she painfully signal her virtue at the best of times anyway, but she’s only had a smattering of “likes”.

I suspect a lot of people either a) quietly agree with the ruling, b) quietly disagree in a vaguely “but…kindness!” way but have seen which way the wind is blowing, or c) don’t really care about the issue.

Honestly, the response from some people has been disappointing a Facebook friend has come out and said it's a good thing only to be scolded saying

They aren't dominating women's sports if they were we would know about it (anyone for snooker?)

They produce less hormones than "real men" it's been "proven" (where?)

We should stay out of everyone's pants (well that's a point but not the one your trying to prove)

A lot of "I'm disappointed in you I thought you were KIND and NICE"

a lot calling her a meanie some friends agreeing with her I just dropped in that I'm glad trans men's sex based rights are finally being protected should they choose to have a baby

The ruling said Gender can be changed but not Sex.

If you think only Trump voters believe that you are woefully ignorant of the world; saying only we must all be right-wing because we believe sex is biological is like saying you must support Prisoner X in the NHS case, a middle-aged pedophile who insists he's a teenage girl, because you both believe TWAW.

Nobody ever explains what they mean by TWAW, If they could make this argument I am sure that the judges would have made a different decision.

I think the thing that really made the FWS case clear was the argument about heterosexual men becoming lesbians because of a bit of paper,

You are the one coming for Gay people by objecting to a ruling which upholds the legal rights of Homosexual people.

Gays and Lesbians were part of the group that joined with women to oppose the Scottish Government's interpretation of the Equality Act, resulting in the recent ruling.

The Supreme Court directly addressed the harms done to Homosexual and Lesbian people by those who insist biological sex doesn't exist, showing the legal rights of Gays and Lesbians who are attracted to their own sex were harmed by this ideology that sex doesn't exist and can be changed by a certificate or belief.

Stonewall harassed Lesbians who were not interested in penises to the point their behaviour was found a by an another court to be Homophobic and a violation of Human Rights - that harassment continued into the lives of Lesbians.

The Supreme Court has now underlined Homosexual people have rights, including not having to invite the opposite sex to their spaces if they don't want to - even males who say they are Lesbians.

A lot of this going on in a women & girls Facebook group I'm in (am I allowed to mention the group name?). It sure has quickly turned into being all about TWAW on there this week. The mention of bio women is increasingly getting shit down already. It's so exhausting!

I honestly don’t know how you put up with your Facebook friends and their patronising ‘look how Trump influences the world’ outlook @Delphinium20and I hope you know you have my sympathies, but I hope you pointed out to them that Mumsnet feminists were already on to this when Trump was still a reality show host.

My DP plays tabletop war games and is in a lot of groups which attract mostly men. On his feed he’s had some men discussing this and he pointed out that one person had attracted a lot of comments back and forth and all 60-odd people were men. Only female name, and was a TW.

But he was quick to point out the irony of all these men pontificating over women’s spaces and talking about ‘trans inclusion’ without any women’s voices involved.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom it’s certainly brought into sharp focus where, on their list of priorities, they see women’s rights. Important, but not that important.

And you’re right. Being part of that conversation hasn’t occurred to them.

@MsBette I'd be tempted to say something like, "Now the Supreme Court has confirmed that it is both reasonable and legal for women to have single sex spaces, the conversation needs to move on to how to accommodate trans people without interfering with women's rights. Perhaps you can be part of that conversation."

I do not want to have a conversation with men about my rights, I just want those men to STFU and respect them.

My feeds are mostly full of men explaining why
the SC ruling is “devastating “.
iIn fairness to them, they do acknowledge that we should probably still have conversations about women’s spaces and safety but are clear this comes secondary to the rights of men. Or trans women, if using their preferred language.

Sure, but he'd be much less likely to get away with it than before, when he could enter any female space and say he's a trans woman.

Funnily enough since the ruling I spotted a couple of transwomen on public transport and thought to myself, “Oh, a transwoman.” Then I got on with my day glad that the law meant I didn’t spend the rest of the day gaslighting myself over wrong thinking. Did I rush up to yell abuse at them? Did I do that before the ruling? Nope. Hyperbole gets short shrift here. We were discussing the recognition of women’s rights having parity under the EA as it always intended.

This is not true. 2-3 women are murdered by a man EVERY WEEK in the UK.

And even if it were true that trans women are just as much at risk, so what? It doesn't make women and trans women a coherent grouping.

I’ve seen a few posts on social media but mostly silence., and what I’ve seen has been from the usual suspects. Including the woman who peaked me in the first place back in 2015 by drawing my attention to Germaine Greer’s ‘horrifying’ comments that TWAM.

As someone said earlier, if you haven’t got it by now, and understood that this is a men’s rights movement that disadvantages and endangers women, then you never will.

I think it’s only a matter of time -days, probably- before we move on to the predictable posts claiming ‘It’s started. I/my friend/my neighbour’s granny’s third cousin twice removed/ was thrown out of a female toilet yesterday by evil t**fs because of short hair/tallness/masculine clothing. See! We told you this ruling would hurt ALL women!’

Transwomen have:

• attacked lesbians for saying they won’t sleep with male-bodied penis-havers, no matter how they identify in their heads. These attacks are sometimes physical, such as punching, rushing at or pushing lesbians marching in Pride marches around the world. Plenty of video evidence.
• Coerced and intimidated lesbians by invading OLD and physical spaces and demanding that they be included in dating pools. No, your ‘Ladydique‘ is not a female organ, it’s a run of the mill cock and balls. No, it doesn’t have a different mouthfeel because you ‘feel’ like a woman. These and a lot worse are said to lesbians a lot. Plenty of evidence again.
• attacked women of any sexuality for saying biological sex (not gender) is important in medical, legal and social contexts.
• these attacks include doxxing, rape and death threats, bullying and mobbing in the workplace. Plenty of evidence.

Who’s been doing the bullying?

Hmm, an old American study, based in America and not at all representative of the situation in the UK. Mind you, as getting a double take as they get on the bus is considered a violent hate crime by tansw....

A few friends have been allysplurging all over their social media today. Loudly and colourfully and dramatically. But the thing is ... It's very few. Pretty much the usual suspects. The vast majority have not mentioned it. I reckon that vast majority agree with the ruling, but don't feel safe saying so. I sure as hell don't. Only one friend has done so and she was hounded off Twitter a few years back.

PMSL at that telling error. Funniest point of the thread.