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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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Ingenieur · 23/04/2025 17:11

ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 10:16

Jim Allister
(North Antrim) (TUV)

Given that article 2 of the Windsor framework ridiculously requires Northern Ireland to be in dynamic alignment with EU equality directives, which include embracing self-identification, what steps will the Government take to ensure that this common-sense ruling of the Supreme Court is applied consistently and without adulteration across the whole United Kingdom now and always?
Bridget Phillipson

I will review the hon. and learned Gentleman’s question and write to him with a full response.

As we were in the EU at the time of implementation, the EA'10 would already have been in alignment with EU law, surely?

As the law hasn't changed, merely clarified in its original intent, nothing need be changed to further 'align'...

KnottyAuty · 23/04/2025 17:06

TheOtherRaven · 23/04/2025 15:51

What was it you said to women who were having to use toilets with men in them or self exclude however distressed they were, Jess?

Try that.

what’s good for the gander is good for the goose!

are these people all tone deaf?
or autistic?
(And before I get jumped on, our autistic family works hard to consider different POVs so don’t tell me it’s impossible)

BunfightBetty · 23/04/2025 17:02

ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 16:59

Yes. Short and very clear. For anyone who can't watch the video:

Jonathan Hinder
(Pendle and Clitheroe) (Lab)

We have made so much progress as a society in breaking down sexist stereotyping. The stereotypes that said women had set roles and should look and act in a certain way were being broken down, exposed as the fake construct they really are. Sex is the only factor that distinguishes men from women. Beyond that, we should be able to live without conforming to those stereotypes. Then a movement came along that argued that all those feminine, girly things and those sexist stereotypes we had been fighting to break down were, in fact, the things that make a woman, and not sex. That is regressive, backward and nonsensical. Will the Minister join me in saluting those courageous women who stood up and pointed out the absurdity of that argument, and commit to rooting out that ideology from our public institutions?

I’d like to frame this and then buy him a pint .

BunfightBetty · 23/04/2025 17:02

Thanks so much for posting up so many speeches and comments @ArabellaScott

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ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 16:59

Yes. Short and very clear. For anyone who can't watch the video:

Jonathan Hinder
(Pendle and Clitheroe) (Lab)

We have made so much progress as a society in breaking down sexist stereotyping. The stereotypes that said women had set roles and should look and act in a certain way were being broken down, exposed as the fake construct they really are. Sex is the only factor that distinguishes men from women. Beyond that, we should be able to live without conforming to those stereotypes. Then a movement came along that argued that all those feminine, girly things and those sexist stereotypes we had been fighting to break down were, in fact, the things that make a woman, and not sex. That is regressive, backward and nonsensical. Will the Minister join me in saluting those courageous women who stood up and pointed out the absurdity of that argument, and commit to rooting out that ideology from our public institutions?

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ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 16:57

https://wingsoverscotland.com/unhinged-malady/

Article from Wings on Maggie Chapman's latest ramblings. With a cameo from the Amnesty lawyer, who offered evidence to the SC, and who is, in fact, not only 'queer' but 'non-binary' - i.e. trans. For all those who keep banging on about the court not having heard from any actual real trans people. She must be quite upset to have her existence so erased.

Unhinged Malady

Yesterday the Scottish media gave Scottish Greens MSP Maggie Chapman what she’s never willingly given anyone else – a platform on which to make her case. Most did a very poor job challe…

https://wingsoverscotland.com/unhinged-malady/

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BunfightBetty · 23/04/2025 16:57

ProfesoraLou · 23/04/2025 11:33

this is brilliant. Solid, unarguable logic.

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Stonking speech!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 16:30

ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 16:26

https://x.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1915012699752219111

Emily Thornberry, Labour MP for Islington South, Finsbury and De Beauvoir.

'Let's be clear, the overwhelming danger to women and all trans people comes from the violence of cis men.'

Emily Thornberry never was the sharpest tool in the box.

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ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 16:26

https://x.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1915012699752219111

Emily Thornberry, Labour MP for Islington South, Finsbury and De Beauvoir.

'Let's be clear, the overwhelming danger to women and all trans people comes from the violence of cis men.'

https://x.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1915012699752219111

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 15:59

Oh really, Jess? Do you hold yourself personally responsible for all the women and girls who have actually been assaulted by men in women's toilets?

Thought not.

TheOtherRaven · 23/04/2025 15:51

What was it you said to women who were having to use toilets with men in them or self exclude however distressed they were, Jess?

Try that.

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RedToothBrush · 23/04/2025 14:37

lcakethereforeIam · 23/04/2025 11:22

'Clarity' is going to get worn out. Can I suggest 'honesty' as an alternative?

During Brexit David Allen Green made the point that the words 'Clear' and 'Clearly' were very much weasel words.

Every time someone uses them, you raise an eyebrow and double check the wisdom of whoever is saying them.

It's a good rule of thumb.

Peony1897 · 23/04/2025 14:00

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 13:55

Just some OJ examples

Thanks, exactly what I expected. I feel like they’re all focussed on the toilet issue to deflect the more crucial issues around sex offenders, puberty blockers, sports, scientific untruths and feminism in general.

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 13:55

Just some OJ examples

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 13:54

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 13:50

Nothing from Gregory Stafford. Owen Jones posting his usual misogynistic bull crap

Thank you.

Peony1897 · 23/04/2025 13:50

SinnerBoy · 23/04/2025 12:49

Thanks, Arabella for your dogged hard work, reproducing all of those exchanges!

Agreed, thank you. It’s v important we track who has said what and hold people to account.

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 13:50

Nothing from Gregory Stafford. Owen Jones posting his usual misogynistic bull crap

Peony1897 · 23/04/2025 13:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 13:45

Can anyone who is on X look and see if Gregory Stafford MP has commented about the Supreme Court judgment?

Ditto Owen Jones? He’s not a politician but am not on Twitter and he’s been extremely vocal about this issue so would be interested to see what his response is (probably a mantrum). Yes, it’s for my own gratification…

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 13:45

Can anyone who is on X look and see if Gregory Stafford MP has commented about the Supreme Court judgment?

SternJoyousBee · 23/04/2025 13:39

I read through the Hansard entry yesterday. So much virtue signalling from MPs who are either deliberately obtuse or are too stupid to be allowed out the house on their own.

I have NRTFT but gas Lisa Nandy commented yet?

Peony1897 · 23/04/2025 12:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 11:48

FFS are they STILL pretending that humans aren't capable of recognising the sex of other humans?

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They’re also incapable of realising this is 1% of the issue as a whole. The entire ideology needs bringing down. We can’t just bring down 5% or 50% of it; as the rest will continue to grow and demand.

SinnerBoy · 23/04/2025 12:49

Thanks, Arabella for your dogged hard work, reproducing all of those exchanges!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 11:48

borntobequiet · 23/04/2025 10:00

But in protecting women’s spaces such as toilets from predatory men pretending to be trans women, what exactly stops those same men from now accessing them by pretending to be trans men?'

Well, that’s a new one, I think. At least to me.

FFS are they STILL pretending that humans aren't capable of recognising the sex of other humans?

ProfesoraLou · 23/04/2025 11:33

ArabellaScott · 23/04/2025 09:16

Jonathan Hinder MP (Labour) Pendle and Clitheroe

'Sex matters'

https://x.com/JonathanHinder/status/1914753635059442129

And:

"Sex is the ONLY factor which distinguishes men from women, beyond that you should be able to live without conforming to those stereotypes."

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this is brilliant. Solid, unarguable logic.

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