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Politicians respond to the SC judgement

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 10:59

A thread to gather politicians' responses to yesterday's Supreme Court judgement.

  1. Stella Creasy. She's rather unhelpfully posted a pdf, (and turned off replies), so archive below.

https://archive.ph/8T1Yl

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1912609872430133697

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JanesLittleGirl · 19/04/2025 14:30

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2025 13:24

Someone tell Mhairi Black.

Ex politician, strictly speaking.

An article that may irritate.

archive.is/jkxvQ

Mhairi has always had a somewhat tentative grip on reality.

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2025 13:24

Someone tell Mhairi Black.

Ex politician, strictly speaking.

An article that may irritate.

archive.is/jkxvQ

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Felinnefine · 19/04/2025 09:41

GCAcademic · 19/04/2025 09:32

Does that mean the Communists are literal nazis?

It’s the only logical conclusion!

GCAcademic · 19/04/2025 09:32

Does that mean the Communists are literal nazis?

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2025 09:31

Good to see a full, considered statement from a.political party.

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Skyellaskerry · 19/04/2025 06:51

fromorbit · 18/04/2025 21:58

Joint Statement from the Political Committee of the Communist Party, the Central Committee of the Young Communist League, the CP & YCL Women’s Commissions on the UK Supreme Court ruling that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010.

We welcome the Supreme Court's clarification that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010 in the case For Women Scotland Ltd (Appellant) v The Scottish Ministers (Respondent) 16 April 2025. The Supreme Court judgement was decided on the basis that the only coherent legal interpretation of the provisions defined in the Equality Act relating to sex discrimination was by reference to biological sex, upholding women's legal right to single-sex provision in employment, education facilites, sports, prisons, etc This materialist outcome corroborates our view that “sex” must mean biological sex for the purposes of the Act and any other interpretations would negate its single sex statutory protections.

We reject any notion that the Supreme Court ruling was influenced by, or issued as a result of, a transphobic political climate and note Lord Hodge’s remark when delivering the judgement - that it should not be seen as victory of one side over another. We oppose misrepresentations of the ruling causing anxiety and division. Trans people continue to have protection against discrimination and harassment within the Equality Act and “In the light of case law interpreting the relevant provisions, a trans woman can claim sex discrimination because she is perceived to be a woman.”

We reiterate that efforts must be made to improve resourcing within the current system for trans people to access the health and welfare services they need across Britain and that the Communist Party will continue to call for these. For Women Scotland, in winning their case against the Scottish government, have provided legal clarification for women and girls in the fight to assert and defend single sex provision in Britain, and we commend them. ENDS.

Thanks @fromorbit I love their statement. And thankful to be honest - I’m sick of having people, who should know me better (who like me actually are left wing) calling me a right wing Trump sympathiser and more.

JazzyJelly · 18/04/2025 23:37

Thanks for sharing @fromorbit. I'm gutted the Communist Party aren't standing in my local area, I'm really struggling on who to vote for, I'm generally quite left-leaning and they've always been on the side of material reality.

tobee · 18/04/2025 23:26

Thanks @OvaHere

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 22:05

fromorbit · 18/04/2025 21:58

Joint Statement from the Political Committee of the Communist Party, the Central Committee of the Young Communist League, the CP & YCL Women’s Commissions on the UK Supreme Court ruling that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010.

We welcome the Supreme Court's clarification that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010 in the case For Women Scotland Ltd (Appellant) v The Scottish Ministers (Respondent) 16 April 2025. The Supreme Court judgement was decided on the basis that the only coherent legal interpretation of the provisions defined in the Equality Act relating to sex discrimination was by reference to biological sex, upholding women's legal right to single-sex provision in employment, education facilites, sports, prisons, etc This materialist outcome corroborates our view that “sex” must mean biological sex for the purposes of the Act and any other interpretations would negate its single sex statutory protections.

We reject any notion that the Supreme Court ruling was influenced by, or issued as a result of, a transphobic political climate and note Lord Hodge’s remark when delivering the judgement - that it should not be seen as victory of one side over another. We oppose misrepresentations of the ruling causing anxiety and division. Trans people continue to have protection against discrimination and harassment within the Equality Act and “In the light of case law interpreting the relevant provisions, a trans woman can claim sex discrimination because she is perceived to be a woman.”

We reiterate that efforts must be made to improve resourcing within the current system for trans people to access the health and welfare services they need across Britain and that the Communist Party will continue to call for these. For Women Scotland, in winning their case against the Scottish government, have provided legal clarification for women and girls in the fight to assert and defend single sex provision in Britain, and we commend them. ENDS.

Hooray for common sense

fromorbit · 18/04/2025 21:58

Joint Statement from the Political Committee of the Communist Party, the Central Committee of the Young Communist League, the CP & YCL Women’s Commissions on the UK Supreme Court ruling that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010.

We welcome the Supreme Court's clarification that "sex" means biological sex in the Equality Act 2010 in the case For Women Scotland Ltd (Appellant) v The Scottish Ministers (Respondent) 16 April 2025. The Supreme Court judgement was decided on the basis that the only coherent legal interpretation of the provisions defined in the Equality Act relating to sex discrimination was by reference to biological sex, upholding women's legal right to single-sex provision in employment, education facilites, sports, prisons, etc This materialist outcome corroborates our view that “sex” must mean biological sex for the purposes of the Act and any other interpretations would negate its single sex statutory protections.

We reject any notion that the Supreme Court ruling was influenced by, or issued as a result of, a transphobic political climate and note Lord Hodge’s remark when delivering the judgement - that it should not be seen as victory of one side over another. We oppose misrepresentations of the ruling causing anxiety and division. Trans people continue to have protection against discrimination and harassment within the Equality Act and “In the light of case law interpreting the relevant provisions, a trans woman can claim sex discrimination because she is perceived to be a woman.”

We reiterate that efforts must be made to improve resourcing within the current system for trans people to access the health and welfare services they need across Britain and that the Communist Party will continue to call for these. For Women Scotland, in winning their case against the Scottish government, have provided legal clarification for women and girls in the fight to assert and defend single sex provision in Britain, and we commend them. ENDS.

OvaHere · 18/04/2025 21:53

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 21:03

Light and heat..... has anyone yet managed to pin down what a speaker actually means when they pop that one out?

It's the modern version of supercalifragalistic.

Hopefully we've seen the back of that one. How much more light can they want than a very through judgement delivered by five Supreme Court Justices?

Unless they're now waiting for the second coming and the ultimate pronouncement on whether God thinks women have a penis.

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 21:03

Light and heat..... has anyone yet managed to pin down what a speaker actually means when they pop that one out?

It's the modern version of supercalifragalistic.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/04/2025 20:50

'Light and heat'!!! 😡

While we're still waiting to hear from Starmer, this article summarises his gender journey

https://archive.ph/qANVl

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/17/how-starmer-changed-his-tune-on-trans-women/

Although I think the final sentence is far too kind to him.

OvaHere · 18/04/2025 19:07

tobee · 18/04/2025 17:55

Can't get that Tom Slater link to open. Maybe it's been taken down?

Anyway, the bit that resonates with me in the Brendon O'Neill is the last 48 hours wailing is the "death rattle".

It's still there. Just go to the home page.

tobee · 18/04/2025 17:55

Can't get that Tom Slater link to open. Maybe it's been taken down?

Anyway, the bit that resonates with me in the Brendon O'Neill is the last 48 hours wailing is the "death rattle".

Winterwonders24 · 18/04/2025 17:11

lcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2025 21:03

My God, that was years of pent up righteous anger having joyous release 😁

tobee · 18/04/2025 16:43

Little bit slow of me to realise that those lamenting the SC ruling are using typical cult behaviour (again) to tell the "trans community" that it's a bad world out there and people are doing this to hurt you. That's the narrative that must continue to be pushed.

Initially I was thinking how damaging it is actually to those who call themselves trans to run with the idea that the ruling affects trans rights.

Lovelyview · 18/04/2025 16:27

WorriedMutha · 18/04/2025 11:56

I'm not a fan of PR but I think it is telling that Maggie Chapman is in office because she was elected under a system that allowed an allocation of extra MSPs based on the percentage of votes picked up by the Greens. A hybrid PR system.
In other words she is not answerable to a constituency and doesn't have a single constituent.
That means she never has to knock on a door and sell this bullshit to a single voter.

I used to be very pro proportional representation. The Scottish Government - particularly the Greens - demonstrated to me how it can cause huge problems through 'electing' people who don't actually have a direct link to voters.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 18/04/2025 16:12

murasaki · 18/04/2025 00:35

0'Neill was, as ever, deliciously cutting. Professor of gibberish did it for me.

Not in O'Neill's article but I am liking the concept of an 'All fee, no win' barrister

Ingenieur · 18/04/2025 14:50

Regarding kids, now is the time to test all of the ridiculous Stonewall interpretations that have infected the public discourse.

The gender recognition act doesn't allow anyone under 18 to apply for reassignment, so while there is a provision for someone who "intends" to apply for a GRC, I don't believe it should be possible for a young person to "intend" to undertake a process that they are legally unable to do.

No child should ever have the protected characteristic of "gender reassignment".

Talulahalula · 18/04/2025 13:20

Rightsraptor · 17/04/2025 23:57

I read in the DT just now that a lawyer specialising education law (new one on me) said they'll be seeking clarity on 'trans kids' wanting to go to the opposite sex school, so girl wants to be a boy and applies to an all boys' school. They say the legal position is not clear and if she's rejected on the ground of sex, she could go after the school on 'gender reassignment' grounds.

I read it too late at night, it made my brain hurt and I probably misunderstood bits. But it sounds wrong to me. Anyone know?

The judgement is clear that it applies to girls and women and boys and men for the protected characteristic of sex.
It is also clear that for gender reassignment the comparator group is men/boys or women/girls of the same biological sex.
So a child who wished to identify as a boy but is biologically female should not be discriminated against for wishing to present as a boy in an all female school.
That is how I read the judgement, but I am still only as far as paragraph 223 so I caveat my interpretation with that. But it seems perfectly clear to me.

Talulahalula · 18/04/2025 13:16

The BBC article linked above says that the ruling means that ‘people who are born male no longer have access to female-only facilities and services’.

This is pernicious reporting because the ruling simply clarifies that who are born male should not ever have had access to female-only facilities and services. The language here feeds into a narrative that the ruling has taken something away from trans people. It has not. It has clarified that such access was not ever legal.

I also worry about the part that Scotgov will outline its plans in the coming days. They don’t have a record of reasoned thought on this.

Igmum · 18/04/2025 13:09

Rightsraptor · 17/04/2025 23:57

I read in the DT just now that a lawyer specialising education law (new one on me) said they'll be seeking clarity on 'trans kids' wanting to go to the opposite sex school, so girl wants to be a boy and applies to an all boys' school. They say the legal position is not clear and if she's rejected on the ground of sex, she could go after the school on 'gender reassignment' grounds.

I read it too late at night, it made my brain hurt and I probably misunderstood bits. But it sounds wrong to me. Anyone know?

A child can’t have a GRC.

Biology is important and the SC knows that TWAM.

Hope that sorted his thought process. HTH

Lovelysummerdays · 18/04/2025 13:00

I was listening to some American podcast and something that came up is politicians making pledges to special interest groups in order to get elected. I do wonder how many of the politicians doubling down today have longstanding connections that they can’t reverse ferret from so have to stick with it.

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