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Thank you MNHQ

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Blistory · 16/04/2025 15:20

I don't post much on here anymore but just wanted to take a moment today to thank Mumsnet @MNHQ and Justine in particular for standing strong over a considerable number of years.

I fully appreciate that not all Mumsnet members or employees held the same beliefs but in the fury of doxing, banning, and insults, MNHQ held the line to enable this space where women were able to have a discussion.

I know the arguments and concerns over the years but the fact is that this was the only public space for a considerable number of years where a conversation was allowed about what came to be known as gender critical concerns.

This was where women came to gather, to discuss, to learn, to be heard, to form new spaces, to support and to stand strong. It wasn't always a pleasant place to be but it was always a place that was allowed to exist. It stood against the pressure groups, the hate, the doxxing, the pressure of advertisers, Stonewall law and it did so by simply being allowed to exist. The women on here and in the wider world did the rest. It's easy to forget just how difficult it was for MNHQ to hold the line especially when being attacked by all sides.

Thank you.

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Justme56 · 18/04/2025 12:21

Saw it on X

Thank you MNHQ
TanteRose · 18/04/2025 12:18

Thanks @JustineMumsnet
and thanks @SusanSmithFWS

by the way, re: Ocado, Sonia Sodha just contacted them and got this reply

https://x.com/soniasodha/status/1913182381101510985?s=46&t=DYMVYhEoGD6kTaKmo-0O8Q

Thank you MNHQ
Waitwhat23 · 18/04/2025 12:14

SusanSmithFWS · 18/04/2025 11:35

Dear @JustineMumsnet,
Thank you so very much for everything. But for Mumsnet, we would never have come together. I'm not on so much these days, but the women here gave me courage and focus in those early days. They have also been some of our fiercest supporters, morally and financially. I hope you feel vindicated and I hope you get some well deserved apologies (and more ad revenue!)
Lots of Love from all at FWS x

I don't think it's possible for us to adequately express how much you've done for us. A whole country of women (and some men) wept, punched the air, danced and did a triumphant roar at the announcement of the judgement - I'm surprised that there wasn't some sort of palpable, measurable wave of energy at that point.

It genuinely feels like we've turned a corner now. With all our gratitude x

ArabellaScott · 18/04/2025 11:47

SusanSmithFWS · 18/04/2025 11:35

Dear @JustineMumsnet,
Thank you so very much for everything. But for Mumsnet, we would never have come together. I'm not on so much these days, but the women here gave me courage and focus in those early days. They have also been some of our fiercest supporters, morally and financially. I hope you feel vindicated and I hope you get some well deserved apologies (and more ad revenue!)
Lots of Love from all at FWS x

❤

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 11:44

@SusanSmithFWS a massive thank you to all that has been achieved by FWS. You are mighty warriors and I want to thank you with every fibre of my being for fighting this fight. We are women, thanks to our biology; no more, no less and thanks to FWS we can define who we are which means we can secure our rights. You made me weep with relief when I heard the judgement. Boring old biology trumps all the feelz. Thank you and thanks again @JustineMumsnet for giving us a space to talk about our rights and our needs.

Conkerjar · 18/04/2025 11:36

Mumsnet turned my head to face toward reality when I had become totally mired in parenting groups battling in the intersectional olympics and telling us all we were fucking horrible people to the core for daring to think outside the party lines. My only regret now (apart for all the screen time while I breastfed) is that I left one group in particular and didn't remain as a lurker, because I would LOVE to see the cognitive dissonance playing out.

SusanSmithFWS · 18/04/2025 11:35

JustineMumsnet · 17/04/2025 07:51

Thanks all – I really appreciate the appreciation. It’s been severely testing at times – there were moments I genuinely thought we might never see the tide turn, or at least not in our generation. And in the meantime, Mumsnet risked being permanently labelled as bigoted, vicious, and ‘on the wrong side of history’.

A fair number of organisations pulled their advertising under pressure from activists – both internal and external. I’m sure there were many more we never heard from who simply steered clear. Commercial partnerships became noticeably harder to secure. The low point was discovering we’d been blacklisted on instruction from the top brass at Barclays – just weeks before their CEO resigned over concealing ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

When we included a call to clarify the definition of sex in the Equality Act in our 2024 Mumsnet Manifesto, Ocado – who had been excited about a partnership – abruptly pulled out, citing Mumsnet’s “hateful political views”. Despite repeated attempts to explain our position – as a platform committed to amplifying women’s voices – they’ve refused to speak to us ever since.

Nonetheless, even in the darkest moments, when I feared the site might not survive, we never considered banning discussion of this issue altogether. That would have been completely contrary to what Mumsnet is about: a space for mothers to talk about what matters to them. We’ve always believed in the power of respectful, open discussion – especially on difficult topics. And again and again, users have told us that Mumsnet has helped them change their minds, or at least understand a different point of view.

That spirit is what inspired our This Is My Child campaign back in 2013, prompted by a thread where a mother described her own child’s disruptive behaviour – and then explained he had additional needs, and what it was like to parent under constant public judgment. The discussion that followed was one of the most powerful we’ve hosted – and helped many people see things differently.

On the issue of women’s rights, I know some felt we policed conversations too tightly at times. But please remember the pressure we were under. A single sentence, taken out of context and amplified by activists on social media, could result in advertisers – already jittery, particularly during Covid – disappearing overnight and without the advertising we simply cannot cover our running costs and the site would have folded. We were also aware that some activists, posing as users, were deliberately trying to bait others into saying something that could be used to damage us.

So a big well done to everyone on here who played a part in securing what I think most would agree is much-needed clarity in the Equality Act. As ever, we’re in awe of the intelligence, tenacity and resilience of Mumsnet users.

Dear @JustineMumsnet,
Thank you so very much for everything. But for Mumsnet, we would never have come together. I'm not on so much these days, but the women here gave me courage and focus in those early days. They have also been some of our fiercest supporters, morally and financially. I hope you feel vindicated and I hope you get some well deserved apologies (and more ad revenue!)
Lots of Love from all at FWS x

Rockhopper1 · 18/04/2025 11:25

Thank you Justine . Proper bravery and leadership . Also to the many brilliant women on here .xxx

elgreco · 18/04/2025 10:58

Thank you Mumsnet

RoseAndGeranium · 18/04/2025 10:47

Very late to this lovely appreciation party, but thank you to @JustineMumsnet and MNHQ from me too. It was on these boards I first learned about the dangers of gender ideology, first heard the names Helen Joyce and Kathleen Stock, found a new appreciation of the wonderful JK Rowling and emerged a newly minted TERF. Threads on mumsnet gave me the information and motivation I needed to join the fight, spread awareness, and hold the line in small ways.
Mumsnet, in this battle, you made the difference.

MrsPeterHarris · 18/04/2025 10:35

That’s very unusual @MyNameIsSharon but pleasing to hear!

MyNameIsSharon · 18/04/2025 10:19

Thank you MNHQ and all the posters on this board!

I never post here because I didn't think I had anything intelligent to add to the conversation, but I've lurked and soaked everything up like a sponge. I've learned so much and I'm in awe of the courage of MN for allowing this board to exist and of all the brave women who have had the courage to stand up and fight.

I was radicalised by MN and then I radicalised my teenaged dd.
She has complained to her teachers about a trans girl in her school taking part in sports day against girls, and being in the girls changing rooms.
She is very sporty and has argued very loudly in class with her teachers and her friends over trans women in sports and changing rooms.
She says to me "You've created a monster Mum" 😂

Suprisingly her school have let her have her say and listened to her concerns and she's never got in trouble for being outspoken about this. She also hasn't lost any friends over it, even the ones who disagree with her and are shocked by what she says, which I'm really thankful for.

IamEarthymama · 18/04/2025 09:46

Thank you @MNHQ 💐💐💐

Signalbox · 18/04/2025 09:30

Late to the party but adding my thanks 🙏 Mumsnet and the amazing ladies here definitely had a hand in my peaking back in 2017. I wonder where I would be now and what nonsense I would still be spouting if it hadn’t been for everyone here. So well done Mumsnet and thanks for letting us have the conversations that weren’t possible anywhere else for a number of years.

🌹🪻🌸🌺🌷🌻🌼💐🥀🌹🪻

UrsulasHerbBag · 18/04/2025 09:03

I remember the frustration of having to post your comments in such round about language so you didn’t get banned or your comment taken out of context and screen shot. The threads that were like Swiss cheese because of deletions and knowing that most of the deletions were from our detractors campaign to make the site look so full of hate. Having to have our board split to keep us caged away from the “decent” posters (I actually saw an arsehole post “get back to your own board” a couple of days ago). THANK YOU FOR STICKING WITH US AND FUCK OCADO.

SparklyPinkHairband · 18/04/2025 08:50

Another lurker who has been "radicalised" by the FWR forum.

Came for the late night reading while breastfeeding, stayed for the education on women's rights.

Massive thanks.

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 18/04/2025 06:13

Thank you from me too, Justine.

I’m another one who was radicalised by what happened to Maria Machlachlan and I would never have known about it without MN. And this thread has reminded me about how dark things were for so long and without MN we wouldn’t have known what was going on.

Blooming Ocado. I occasionally think of ordering from them and one day I would have done, but not now.

Minimili · 18/04/2025 01:36

I just want to echo what everyone else and say thank you.

I thought I was alone in my views, I live in a small town where the “trans contagion” really spread round, there are a lot of people with mental health issues and children who were victims of the cult.

It’s been very sad that recently a friends child had just been for surgery in Thailand at just 18. She has fully encouraged him since he said he was trans a few years ago despite him being autistic and obviously very confused.

I was so relieved when I found people speaking freely on mumsnet who felt as strongly as I did, I also managed to gain enough insight and was able to communicate things better so I was able to educate other people in a way they would understand and start to care.

I had no idea the pressure that the site was under and how much pressure @JustineMumsnet was under to stand her ground, it’s a huge relief that the site never gave in to censorship.

unwashedanddazed · 18/04/2025 01:10

RickyBobbysKFC · 17/04/2025 10:38

Quote from KJK at the end of that article:
"The first and foremost boundary is language that protects us and is about us."

This was 2018. It's taken 7 difficult years to establish that particular boundary. And she was so fucking right!

Thank you mumsnet for the space to talk, organise, rant, educate and radicalise.

MassiveWordSalad · 18/04/2025 00:27

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, Justine and the team. To stand steadfast in the face of all that pressure is quite something ❤️

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 22:21

ConstructionTime · 17/04/2025 21:39

There is a saying that writing is thinking, and people who can't find a beginning should just start to freely write down their ideas.

The format of this forum, and that there is a forum, with proper forum architecture, is so helpful. Discussions on social media or reddit or any other place are not the same because they do not have a forum structure. I still do not understand why so many forums folded because the unstructured comments in other places are not helpful for debates. A permanent, well-structured forum is brilliant for long-time interaction.

Many ideas are much easier to understand and to develop when you write them down and interact with other contributors. Having to explicitly write down your argumentation helps enormously with understanding of a topic. Especially such complex topics as are debated in FWR become clearer when people actively take part.

@JustineMumsnet

Yes, absolutely.

JulesJules · 17/04/2025 22:15

littlebilliie · 17/04/2025 21:59

Love this - are there t shirts or badges

I have a badge! See my post above 😀

3beesinmybonnet · 17/04/2025 22:14

I landed on Mumsnet in 2018 after googling "how to wash a shower curtain". I had a look round, laughed at Mumsnet Classics, then absentmindedly clicked on a thread about the Maria Maclachlan case. I'd been sleepwalking till then but FWR definitely woke me up that night - I don't think I crawled into bed till 3am.

I'd like to thank Justine and all at MNHQ, plus all those posters who give so much time and effort, for everything they do - it really is appreciated so much.
Thank you

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 17/04/2025 22:07

Yes, thank you.

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