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Blistory · 16/04/2025 15:20

I don't post much on here anymore but just wanted to take a moment today to thank Mumsnet @MNHQ and Justine in particular for standing strong over a considerable number of years.

I fully appreciate that not all Mumsnet members or employees held the same beliefs but in the fury of doxing, banning, and insults, MNHQ held the line to enable this space where women were able to have a discussion.

I know the arguments and concerns over the years but the fact is that this was the only public space for a considerable number of years where a conversation was allowed about what came to be known as gender critical concerns.

This was where women came to gather, to discuss, to learn, to be heard, to form new spaces, to support and to stand strong. It wasn't always a pleasant place to be but it was always a place that was allowed to exist. It stood against the pressure groups, the hate, the doxxing, the pressure of advertisers, Stonewall law and it did so by simply being allowed to exist. The women on here and in the wider world did the rest. It's easy to forget just how difficult it was for MNHQ to hold the line especially when being attacked by all sides.

Thank you.

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LovelySG · 22/04/2025 17:28

From me too x

MotherOfCatBoy · 22/04/2025 17:23

The changed atmosphere is great. Went out with two friends old friends today - we have know each other since our babies were born. I already knew one was GC as we have talked about it, wasn’t sure about the other one. We had a great conversation over lunch and all of us are unanimous in our GC views. We talked about the ruling and the protests. I don’t think conversations like that would be so common were it not for the groundwork here which has led to it coming into the open. Thank you again!

twinklystar23 · 22/04/2025 08:52

Another from me, though it was some time qgo i started to read rhe threads sceptically at first regarding this and other wonens' issues. If i recall correctly, there were a number of deletions, historicallu so posters were still having to be careful about their use of language. Yet mumsnet was the only space that allowed exchange of informqtion to legitimately take place. Its a great resource and reminds us that we can continue to watch the threats to attempts to roll back our rights, as sadly it shows us that it will continue.
However the SC ruling secures for us the space to properly defend our rights, giving us the right to say "wen are ONLY those born female"

Thanks again !

Hotfeetcoldfeet · 21/04/2025 07:44

I agree! Thank you from me as well. Until I read the newspaper article aboit it, I’d not considered the pressure that holding the line put on @MNHQ. But now I realise how difficult it was. I appreciate your strength, integrity and commitment to free speech!

SidewaysOtter · 19/04/2025 23:20

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 22:39

They're pretending they are on holiday until Tuesday....

So they’re a clear case of See You Next Tuesdays?

<fetches coat>

KnottyAuty · 19/04/2025 22:39

Ariana12 · 19/04/2025 22:21

And didn't they withdraw from a partnership with Munsnet? So restoring that would be a tangible proof! Also what about Barclays Bank??

They're pretending they are on holiday until Tuesday....

Ariana12 · 19/04/2025 22:21

Datun · 18/04/2025 12:52

But Justine said they have repeatedly ignored all her phone calls.

I'd like her to confirm that they've picked up the damn phone and said sorry in person. Not hidden behind a post on Twitter. And blaming the mythical intern, sorry...temporary contractor.

And didn't they withdraw from a partnership with Munsnet? So restoring that would be a tangible proof! Also what about Barclays Bank??

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2025 19:30

It is.

DeafLeppard · 19/04/2025 18:53

Having seen the state of the comments on the rest of the internet, I’m even more glad for MN. Reddit is really a vile man-centering cesspit of misogyny, isn’t it?

MyNameIsSharon · 19/04/2025 17:51

MrsPeterHarris · 18/04/2025 10:35

That’s very unusual @MyNameIsSharon but pleasing to hear!

It is! I was really worried that she would get in trouble because of all the things I'd read about the way some schools are teaching about gender and trans issues, but her school seems pretty sensible.

The trans girl got told off for being in the girl's changing room. He did run in girls races on sports day and my dd came 1st and he came 3rd. Dd's teacher was like "I know, I know but it's not worth making a big deal over." when dd complained. Dd pointed out that it did matter to the girl who came 4th.

She's had a lot of debates about it in class and the teachers let her have her say, I think it's because she said she's careful to stick to facts and never gets personal or name calls.

She's actually in an after school club with the trans girl and they get on well so there's no hard feelings between them.

MotherOfCatBoy · 19/04/2025 16:56

Another Thank You to @JustineMumsnet and all at Mumsnet for this haven of common sense. I had a work role in DEI back around 2018 and started to smell a rat… when I came here it was like a breath of fresh air. (Had been a longtime user, my baby Catboy is 18 now). This has always been the home of forthright feminism and to hold that line must have been incredible hard under such commercial pressure.

As for @SusanSmithFWS and all at FWS - I am in awe at what you have achieved for us all! Thank you thank you thank you

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JulesJules · 19/04/2025 14:42

Oh let's change it to Feminists War Room

nocoolnamesleft · 19/04/2025 14:30

Boiledbeetle · 18/04/2025 22:48

Feminism and Women's Rights

Ohhh. I assumed it was Feminists' War Room.

mrshoho · 19/04/2025 14:09

DeafLeppard · 19/04/2025 14:00

Another one very grateful for MN! It must be unique in being a woman-centric space on the internet.

Yep and why it works so beautifully with such civility. Unique in our online era.

DeafLeppard · 19/04/2025 14:00

Another one very grateful for MN! It must be unique in being a woman-centric space on the internet.

TrainedByCats · 19/04/2025 13:13

yetanotherusernameAgain · 18/04/2025 12:56

"Temporary contractor" doesn't necessarily mean a junior member of staff. Some of ours cost £1k per day.

Even contractors on more than £1k a day rarely (probably never) have the formal authority to pull out of a partnership like that. You’re there to provide skills they don’t have in house, project manage, provide advice or do tedious work no one wants to do. Not make key partnership decisions that no one in the company knows about.

(Retired Temporary contractor who was on excess of £1k/day)

HarmonicAnalysis · 19/04/2025 13:13

The part Mumsnet has played, and plays, in enabling women to come together, learn and discuss our needs and our rights - now confirmed by the Supreme Court - is absolutely fundamental and pivotal. So valuable, and so valued. Words can't quite convey it, which is a bit ironic! - but you know, I hope. FWR (as I still call it) is unique, and together, the online space you provide - and have held, despite commercial sanctions and reputational attacks - and the incredible women who post here and read here and take action as a result, have done something courageous and magnificent. It is the best online community in the world, ever. Without any doubt, future generations will know how important FWR has been in the long, ongoing struggle to protect women's rights. And I'm sure it always will be. Thank you.

BezMills · 19/04/2025 11:01

PerkyBlinder · 18/04/2025 22:35

No - think more something like model railway enthusiasts - it was really sad seeing people banned for hate from a very specialist hobby group they had a lot of knowledge in and were passionate about.

The group had a ‘no political posts’ rule and someone posted say a railway track with all the different gender flags all over it in pride month. Someone else reported it as a political post and then a discussion broke out about why the gender identity bit can be considered political and a few blokes were quite confused as they hadn’t come across the idea of gender identity and said they thought sex was binary and it was all a load of nonsense so they were banned as transphobic and hateful. Then the person who put up the original post made sure a trans activist was made an admin to advise the original admins on what was hateful and what wasn’t with a totalitarian zeal. It was quite scary to witness and peaked me massively.

Ah I think I can have a solid guess about the hobby! Something like Ham Warmer 30J ... I was dimly aware of some rainbow related controversy in the last years in at least one group I'm a member of

Datun · 19/04/2025 02:37

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 23:39

At least one newspaper is reporting on women's POV today:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-boycott-nearly-put-out-business-mumsnet-founder/

Ha! And dropping Barclays and Ocado right in it.

BiologicalRobot · 19/04/2025 00:35

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 23:45

The DM has lifted Justine’s post too.

😱

I wait with bated breath to see if the temporary contractor is elevated to a SM advisor who no longer works for us.

Edited for a rogue i.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 23:45

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 23:39

At least one newspaper is reporting on women's POV today:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-boycott-nearly-put-out-business-mumsnet-founder/

The DM has lifted Justine’s post too.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/04/2025 23:40

Boiledbeetle · 18/04/2025 22:48

Feminism and Women's Rights

It’s what the board used to be called. If you share a link to a thread on this topic you’ll see it’s still womens_rights under the hood. Because that’s what it’s always been about.
It’d be nice if it could return to that name sometime, wouldn’t it?

KnottyAuty · 18/04/2025 23:39

At least one newspaper is reporting on women's POV today:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/18/trans-boycott-nearly-put-out-business-mumsnet-founder/

MrsPeterHarris · 18/04/2025 22:52

Thank you @Boiledbeetle as I’ve wondered and googled for a long time!

Boiledbeetle · 18/04/2025 22:48

MrsPeterHarris · 18/04/2025 22:44

Can I ask, what does FWR stand for?

Feminism and Women's Rights