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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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Kucinghitam · 03/05/2025 12:25

moto748e · 03/05/2025 11:27

Which surely shows what a long way there is to go.We always hope the artists we admire feel the same; I still play Solitude Standing all the time, fabulous record.

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My youngest uncle introduced me to that album when I was a teenager, he's only 14 years older than me and seemed so cool compared to all my older aunts and uncles. I still love that album and she has a wonderful smoky silky sort of voice.

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FlowerUser · 03/05/2025 12:14

My favourite is The Queen and the Soldier and Caramel.

moto748e · 03/05/2025 11:27

Kucinghitam · 03/05/2025 09:42

I'm always surprised when any public figure comes out as not TRSOH.

Which surely shows what a long way there is to go.We always hope the artists we admire feel the same; I still play Solitude Standing all the time, fabulous record.

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Kucinghitam · 03/05/2025 09:42

I'm always surprised when any public figure comes out as not TRSOH.

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Lovelyview · 03/05/2025 09:29

lcakethereforeIam · 03/05/2025 09:01

Is it just me or does Suzanne Vega sound a bit sex realist at the end of this interview?

https://archive.ph/n5bfB

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/interviews/suzanne-vega-interview/

I'm clearly desperate for any celebrity not to publicly declare themselves to be and ally themselves with idiots 😢

It'd be interesting to see what happens if the tras get a sniff of it. I think kicking off about remarks so reasonable would be a bit of a self own. Also it wouldn't be the first time someone apparently sane turns off their brain when it comes to gender woo.

In his recent series on Radio 4 David Sedaris pokes a teeny bit of fun at pronouns and says he's gay not queer. I felt very relieved. (He is also very funny. I love him)

lcakethereforeIam · 03/05/2025 09:01

Is it just me or does Suzanne Vega sound a bit sex realist at the end of this interview?

https://archive.ph/n5bfB

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/interviews/suzanne-vega-interview/

I'm clearly desperate for any celebrity not to publicly declare themselves to be and ally themselves with idiots 😢

It'd be interesting to see what happens if the tras get a sniff of it. I think kicking off about remarks so reasonable would be a bit of a self own. Also it wouldn't be the first time someone apparently sane turns off their brain when it comes to gender woo.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 02/05/2025 21:56

Impressively thorough work by that father. If only clinicians were as diligent.

Re Chinese, I believe it was similar in Korea. There was near universal literacy long before most countries got anywhere close, because of the development of a deliberately simple alphabet (the king who ordered its development specified that a peasant should be able to learn to read it in a day). But Chinese writing was the preserve of the educated elite - used for all court and civil service records as well as prestigious books - and rarely learnt by women of any class.

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Kucinghitam · 02/05/2025 19:37

Britinme · 02/05/2025 19:10

I can't find a suitable thread to share this on, so I'm putting it here in the hope that it will get shared somewhere better. This is an article about a Dutch father who developed an interesting approach to the diagnosis process when his son claimed he was transgender - might be a good tactic for some other parents:

https://substack.com/inbox/post/162538260?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

That was a very interesting read and what a surprise* that the Righteous "physicians" lied to the family and the insurance company.

*Not a surprise

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Britinme · 02/05/2025 19:10

I can't find a suitable thread to share this on, so I'm putting it here in the hope that it will get shared somewhere better. This is an article about a Dutch father who developed an interesting approach to the diagnosis process when his son claimed he was transgender - might be a good tactic for some other parents:

https://substack.com/inbox/post/162538260?utm_source=multiple-personal-recommendations-email&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

Dutch Father Challenges Entire "Trans Diagnosis" Using Family Survey

Hermes Postma tells why he developed this survey, to counter the diagnostic malpractice imposed on youth occurring at gender clinics all over.

https://substack.com/inbox/post/162538260?triedRedirect=true

FlowerUser · 02/05/2025 18:29

I knew that hiragana was originally women's script, but hadn't quite twigged that knowledge of Chinese script and language were considered male pursuits.

I read Snow Flower and the Secret Fan by Liss See in February. It details the secret language Nüshu and the relationship between Chinese women of high birth. This Wikipedia article says more : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCshu?wprov=sfti1#

Nüshu - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCshu?wprov=sfti1#

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Kucinghitam · 02/05/2025 17:43

I've just been listening to The Rest is History, a double episode on two amazing female writers in the 10th-century Japanese court, Murasaki and Sei Shonagon. I'm inspired to dig out my copies of the Tale of Genji and the Pillow Book which I bought as an undergraduate (not sure I ever finished either, even back then my attention span wasn't the longest). I knew that hiragana was originally women's script, but hadn't quite twigged that knowledge of Chinese script and language were considered male pursuits. And these two brilliant women were both skilled in Chinese, which was therefore frowned upon in some quarters. The idea that even knowledge of a particular foreign language was gendered!

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ErrolTheDragon · 02/05/2025 15:02

Almost like it’s a feature rather than a bug.Confused good to see the Scottish daily express isn’t pronoun-pandering.

moto748e · 02/05/2025 14:20

They sure can pick 'em!

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Kucinghitam · 02/05/2025 13:57

lcakethereforeIam · 02/05/2025 13:07

This is worrying

https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-researchers-ran-a-secret-experiment-on-reddit-users-to-see-if-they-could-change-their-minds-and-the-results-are-creepy

TBH looking at the kind of stuff the visiting TRAs post on here, I'd much rather believe they were chatbots than real-life "biological women" who are out there BeKindly hounding unconsenting mothers out of breastfeeding groups, fawning over male people in women's rape support groups, inviting men into female changing rooms, etc.

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PoppySeedBagelRedux · 02/05/2025 12:03

Kucinghitam · 02/05/2025 10:50

I wonder how bonobos could work out which of them were male or female on the super-complicated sex spectrum without the aid of lipstick or army fatigues?

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That’s really interesting.

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Kucinghitam · 02/05/2025 10:50

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/05/2025 16:26

Feminist organisations in other species: https://www.mpg.de/24481870/0407-ornr-female-bonobos-keep-males-in-check-not-with-strength-but-with-solidarity-987453-x?

I wonder how bonobos could work out which of them were male or female on the super-complicated sex spectrum without the aid of lipstick or army fatigues?

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lcakethereforeIam · 30/04/2025 11:46

What an excellent metaphor.

DeanElderberry · 30/04/2025 10:34

I was just reading this old (April 22) tweet thread from Sarah Ditum about the Supreme Court ruling, and LOVED this comment from Barbara Rich, about Starmer "He’s one of a large number now rolling in the nettles they failed to grasp". Perfect comparison.

x.com/sarahditum/status/1914639037115048257

ErrolTheDragon · 29/04/2025 07:38

DeanElderberry · 27/04/2025 08:08

To me the 'less male' ones mostly look 'male but young'. All the necks being the same is unhelpful.

Yes, I thought ‘trick question, they’ve all got a bit of an Adams apple.’

Britinme · 29/04/2025 03:18

Julia Hartley-Brewer is brilliant - I love the way she consistently calls him on all those false statements.

lcakethereforeIam · 28/04/2025 23:05

Gosh, Bluesky is so much kinder than twiXHmm All the kind comments underneath.

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