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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 06/06/2025 04:37

Kucinghitam · 05/06/2025 11:05

Xander was an arse with a lot of problematic behaviours right from the beginning.

Yep, if I'm honest Younger Me would've gone there, but Older Me is better at spotting the red flags.

ThreeWordHarpy · 05/06/2025 12:59

If we’re talking Giles then Band Candy showed just how bad ass he was behind the librarian specs. The little things like rolling his fag packet into the sleeve of his t-shirt because his trousers were too tight to put them in his pocket.

“With my Mom!? On the bonnet of a car!?”

lcakethereforeIam · 05/06/2025 11:42

Xander treated Cordelia very badly too. Not that Willow covered herself with glory.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 05/06/2025 11:13

Yes, I had similar with Mad Men - the carryover worked beautifully.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 05/06/2025 11:11

If we're bringing non-Vampires into the mix, then definitely Giles.

ThreeWordHarpy · 05/06/2025 11:08

Spike is sexier but Giles is wittier. Dilemma!

On a side note, I always thought it was genius casting Vincent Kartheiser as Pete Campbell in Mad Men because I was instinctively irritated and annoyed by him as soon as I saw his face. I know Pete is supposed to be irritating but it took me a couple of episodes to realise it was the same actor that played Connor.

Kucinghitam · 05/06/2025 11:05

Xander was an arse with a lot of problematic behaviours right from the beginning.

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FlowchartRequired · 05/06/2025 11:01

He shouldn't have left Anya the way he did.

lcakethereforeIam · 05/06/2025 10:39

Nobody here for Xander? Can't blame you tbh.

Kucinghitam · 05/06/2025 10:35

BezMills · 05/06/2025 07:32

Sad eyes of Wesley

GrinGrinGrin

I agree with @FlowchartRequired about Wesley's character development. Also that Giles was way sexier than he seemed (looking back he was cleverly portrayed as seen through the eyes of his teenage charges).

Still Spike for me though!

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FlowchartRequired · 05/06/2025 08:45

If someone said give me an example of good charcter development, I would have to say Wesley. He changes so much from how he first appears in Buffy to how he is at the end of Angel.

I see the appeal of Giles more now that I am older. I wish the Ripper series had been made. That man had a few secrets.

BezMills · 05/06/2025 07:32

Sad eyes of Wesley

TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 05/06/2025 03:57

The problem with the Angel vs Spike thing is Spike was more fun as a character, but bleached blondes really aren't my thing. So on balance I'd have to say... Giles.

Kucinghitam · 04/06/2025 13:56

Yes, might move on to Angel. I didn't enjoy the series as much as the original BtVS, but there are a few standout episodes. The muppet one, for example.

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FlowchartRequired · 04/06/2025 13:53

Are you going to show them Angel? You could always stop when Cordelia goes on holiday, although the final season is amazing, and I think the final episode is my favourite final episode of any season of TV ever.

Kucinghitam · 04/06/2025 13:49

We recently introduced DDs to BtVS and they've now watched up to the end of Season 5 and stopped there. We're pretending the final two seasons don't exist because they were rubbish, especially Season 7. But we'll show them OMWF at some point because it's marvellous!

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FlowchartRequired · 04/06/2025 13:02

Britinme · 04/06/2025 12:43

I have never watched BTVS..,

Lucky you! You get to watch it (and Angel) with fresh eyes.

I am so jealous!

It may be very 90s and have lots of special effects that are a bit dated by modern standards, but it is brilliant for character development and plot arcs. OK, it has its good and bad episodes (season 5 is most people's favourite as that was a Hell of a strong season) but overall it shows why modern TV needs to ditch the message and get back to great storytelling.

Britinme · 04/06/2025 12:43

I have never watched BTVS..,

FlowchartRequired · 04/06/2025 12:25

Plus, Billy Idol stole his look.

NotMeekNotObedient · 04/06/2025 12:21

Spike for me too ❤️

NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/06/2025 12:02

Spike. No doubt about it.

  • Sexier.
  • If you compare their behaviour without souls, he is the fundamentally better person.
  • Also, sexier.
Kucinghitam · 04/06/2025 11:51

Spike (without shirt), don't care about the soul Grin

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FlowchartRequired · 04/06/2025 11:24

Spike (with soul) and Buffy.
Angel and Cordelia should have been given a proper chance to be together. We shall not mention Connor.

Spike without a soul is such a great character, although the gambling for kittens is not something that I am for (I don't think it works out well for the kittens). 🐈

Kucinghitam · 04/06/2025 10:21

I think the thread should turn to really weighty issues like...

Angel or Spike?

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FlowchartRequired · 04/06/2025 08:38

I might start rewatching BTVS now (plus Angel of course).

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