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Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10

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Kucinghitam · 10/04/2025 11:08

Continuation of Thread 9.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 9 | Mumsnet

Continuation of Thread 8. There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5132652-womens-rights-general-conversations-thread-9?

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anyolddinosaur · 09/07/2025 12:24

It's obviously easier - but less fun - to stay what you do still care about when you reach the invisible age. 😀

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 09/07/2025 10:51

I remember that moment too, @FarriersGirl and it was liberating realising that I just didn't have to care about so many things any more.

FarriersGirl · 09/07/2025 10:15

I think she is great. There was definitely a stage in my life around menopause when I woke up and thought, I no longer care what anyone thinks - I'll just do me from this point on.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 09/07/2025 10:04

It's a menopausal woman reading out, and crossing off a list, what she doesn't care about today, which turns out to be pretty much everything. She says it all dead pan which adds a certain something.

anyolddinosaur · 09/07/2025 09:04

I dont do Instagram, anyone care to summarise?

Waitwhat23 · 07/07/2025 13:09

Just for anyone bit of levity, I've just discovered the 'we do not care club' on Instagram. Very funny woman talking about what peri/menopausal women just do not care about anymore.

I'm not peri yet but it's sort of universal for women who no longer give a fuck.

moto748e · 07/07/2025 13:05

Story in the Guardian today, featuring a 'Famous Man'. Since the piece says the identity of the person is so well-known, I don't quite understand why they were so coy. But well done to Jenny for getting through all that. I remember the film quite well.

www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/05/jenny-evans-sexually-assaulted-celebrity-my-quest-for-justice-changed-my-life?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social_img&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1751715844

NoBinturongsHereMate · 04/07/2025 00:51

Dystopian.

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Kucinghitam · 02/07/2025 07:09

“offered psychological services to attempt to re-educate us to become comfortable with the idea of undressing in front of a male.”

This is yet another of those 'WTF have I just read' things that I keep thinking in relation to this bonkers ideology.

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moto748e · 01/07/2025 23:32

What a world we live in, that it takes a Trump adminstration to force this.

bignosebignose · 01/07/2025 23:27

“Lia” Thomas is no longer going to hold fraudulent swimming titles and records.

One of Thomas’ former teammates, Paula Scanlan, testified before Congress that she and her teammates were “offered psychological services to attempt to re-educate us to become comfortable with the idea of undressing in front of a male.”

On April 28, OCR concluded in its investigation that UPenn violated Title IX. OCR issued a proposed Resolution Agreement to voluntarily resolve its Title IX violations or risk referral to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) for enforcement proceedings, which UPenn signed today.

http://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-announces-university-of-pennsylvania-has-entered-resolution-agreement-resolve-its-title-ix-violations

U.S. Department of Education Announces the University of Pennsylvania Has Entered into a Resolution Agreement to Resolve its Title IX Violations

Today, the U.S. Department of Education (the Department) announced the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn) has entered into a Resolution Agreement to comply with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX).

https://www.ed.gov/about/news/press-release/us-department-of-education-announces-university-of-pennsylvania-has-entered-resolution-agreement-resolve-its-title-ix-violations

bignosebignose · 28/06/2025 09:58

Trying again....

Women's rights general conversations - Thread 10
bignosebignose · 28/06/2025 09:51

This made me smile.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2025 11:36

If she was driven, did she have the car in the right gear?

I think it's a heck of an achievement.

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Kucinghitam · 27/06/2025 11:29

DeanElderberry · 27/06/2025 11:26

A brilliant, driven, woman athlete with all the best technical support has just failed to be the first woman to run a four-minute mile, more than 70 years after Roger Bannister became the first man to achieve that.

edition.cnn.com/2025/06/26/sport/faith-kipyegon-four-minute-mile-running-nike-spt

TRSOH: "Silly cows should just try harder"

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DeanElderberry · 27/06/2025 11:26

A brilliant, driven, woman athlete with all the best technical support has just failed to be the first woman to run a four-minute mile, more than 70 years after Roger Bannister became the first man to achieve that.

edition.cnn.com/2025/06/26/sport/faith-kipyegon-four-minute-mile-running-nike-spt

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/06/2025 08:39

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2025 01:29

Certainly no shame to the women's team. Just a little more ammo against the folx who still insist there's no male advantage.

Yes. The result may have shocked some people who don't follow football, but the great thing is that it led to an official statement that there is a scientific difference between men and women when it comes to sport.

borntobequiet · 27/06/2025 06:37

I haven’t seen a thread on this so will put it here. Interview with Yehudis Fletcher on her book Chutzpah! The relevance is that in the interview Yehudis goes into considerable detail as to how she found help via the wisdom of Mumsnet. From about 44 min in, but the whole programme is pretty good and worth a listen.

Clare also talks to LGBTQ+ trailblazer Yehudis Fletcher, whose memoir Chutzpah! opens with Yehudis, aged six, observing the sabbath with her orthodox Jewish family and all her unanswered questions about the world and her place in it. By age 16, she had been silenced, abused and lost within the care system. By 20, she had been married twice. By 25, she had three children. At 26, she found her voice and stands up in court against her abuser. And at 31, she fell in love for the first time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002dzy8

Woman's Hour - SEND, Kate Burton, Yehudis Fletcher - BBC Sounds

New figures show a rise in care plans for SEND in England. We look at the impact.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002dzy8

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2025 01:29

Certainly no shame to the women's team. Just a little more ammo against the folx who still insist there's no male advantage.

moto748e · 27/06/2025 00:59

What is the story here, though? It's been proved before that women's teams can be beaten by teenage boys. That's just how it is, and actually only demonstrates how women's football should be kept separate from men. But if the Swiss team feel it will help their preparation to play againt boys, surely that's fine too?

lcakethereforeIam · 27/06/2025 00:46

Came across this

Switzerland player speaks out after national team loses 7-1 to U15 boys side days before Women's Euros https://share.google/nEJr1hPI2NZi9l0OU

I heard that they tried to hush the drubbing up. They made one of the boys delete something he had posted on tiktok.

Switzerland player speaks out after national team loses 7-1 to U15 boys side days before Women's Euros

Alisha Lehmann's side were dismantled by FC Luzern's Under-15 side just days before the Women's Euros gets under in Switzerland

https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/switzerland-alisha-lehmann-women-euros-boys-u15-team-974768-20250625

Martharian · 26/06/2025 23:02

This made me really laugh - who knew wims could be so effective at organising to defend their rights?!

https://billieburton.medium.com/this-is-why-terfs-win-8d2d0f06b089

While Mumsnet is a truly terrible place for a transgender person to dwell, it is often informative. It could be seen as a useful front-page of what is happening in the gender-critical world, and what issues they see as important.

While I have a much longer article examining why TERF activism is winning and what trans activism can do better in the works, I want to concisely share a perfect example of why they are winning.

Following the Peggie v NHS Fife tribunal, Gender-Critical activists identified the potential value of collecting and auditing existing NHS policy and paperwork related to the Equality Act following the Supreme Court Ruling, referred to as ‘keeping the receipts’. They believed they would soon be deleted. According to Mumsnet, their theory is that there were ‘no single sex spaces for NHS staff or patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth’. This presumably would support a future effort by the likes of Sex Matters or the new JK Rowling Women’s Fund to take the NHS to court for what may well be a messy future court case that holds nothing good for trans people.

The rest is equally entertaining

This is why TERFs win.

Mumsnet as an effective weapon.

https://billieburton.medium.com/this-is-why-terfs-win-8d2d0f06b089

NoBinturongsHereMate · 26/06/2025 10:25

One of my friends had an abortion years ago for what I thought were valid reasons, although my ex-H mithered about it.

It's not for you to judge the validity of her reasons, and none of your exH's business. Why the fuck did he think he got a say?